Post-Game Talk: Los Angeles Kings @ New York Rangers |Game 3| 6/9/14

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If Hasek had not gone to Detroit at the end of his career, he would have had zero Cups. Some here would translate that into Hasek sucked on the big stage.

people want to place blame. When so many tout Lundqvist's greatness, for whatever reason there is a need to argue the point, and when he gives up four goals in a game, or is outplayed in a championship series by another goalie (and being outplayed is debateable, but Quick has not been all too bad), people like to pounce. And being a goalie is difficult. When a puck goes in, it is always expected to have been stopped. When a goalie lets in an easy goal, and every goaltender on the face of the planet has done so, that's looked at and the 20 saves in a period that goalie made is not because they're routine. No use fighting after a certain point. I was never the biggest Lundqvist fan. But it's tough for me to argue the year after year consistency. In the beginning the defense and the system seemed to have been good. Then it was the shot blocking. Then I just thought, maybe it's Lundqvist. Brodeur seemed to have it easy, but you don't have it easy year-in and year-out for 20 consecutive years.

And great point on Hasek. I often use Marino. It is a team sport. Can't always blame the one guy on the ice for 60 minutes. This team has a few flaws in front of Henrik.
 
Great post! Funny how fans take things so personally about their team, almost as if they're actually playing the games themselves. That's what gives the arenas their energy, though!

And they keep psychiatrists in business too.......:laugh:
 
Theres really no need to place blame anywhere. The Rangers are getting beat by a better team with more experience, and it shows.

The Rangers had a bit of panic to their game last night - a lot of guys trying to do too much out there. The Kings are simply more versatile. They alter their play to what the situation dictates quite well, almost on a shift to shift basis. The Rangers were confronted with skill, brawn, and defense at various points last night and they had little answer, particularly at even strength.

Its the toughest thing to admit as a fan but, the Kings are simply a better team.
 
I can't even be down or upset... I am just so proud of this team... how hard they play and how hard they fought to earn their way here. No matter how this plays out, they have exceeded my expectations, played their tails off, and I am proud to have them representing us.

Well there is still a glimmer of hope left and I still have beer enough for wednesday. But yeah--they pretty much overachieved this playoff season. I'm not happy we're losing the series but I'm not really pissed at the team. If anything you see the weaknesses and I'm sorry but Richards running out of gas now--means he'll run out of gas again if we were ever to do this again with him. He needs to be swapped out for somebody younger that does have the stamina even if it means growing pains. I'm not convinced about Pouliot either. Nash is more of a tease. A $7.8 mil per year tease. Honestly I could see him doing like Gaborik with another team in the playoffs someday if we moved him The thing is when Nash is 'the guy' leading your offense he'll not carry the team but if he were playing wing with Toews, Kopitar, Crosby he'd probably be filling the net.

Fans often take personal ownership of their team's performance. It's the nature of the beast, especially in a market that features the winningest team in the history of North American sports.

This series performance is embarrassing for several reasons:

  • The Devils/Kings series in '12 felt more competitive. Devils fans' raison d'être is to fundamentally question the history, viability, and popularity of the Rangers, more so than even celebrating the successes of their own team. This is prime red meat for them. Anyone claiming they don't care what Devils fans think will have to let me know what head-to-head matches feel like next season. I'll be selling my tickets to those games early.
  • This series will feed the Quick > Lundqvist narrative until someone else comes along to surpass both of them or until Lundqvist wins two Stanley Cups.
  • The Rangers' performance in this series makes the fans of the teams the Rangers eliminated, in particular the Montreal Canadiens, feel as though their team should have been the one to move on.
  • This series does nothing to dispel the belief of people on this site that the Western Conference is the greatest thing since anti-lock brakes.
  • This series undermines the relevance of hockey in the world's foremost media market. Casual fans dusted off their Rangers stuff from the mid-90s and tried their best with the media's help to get into the game only to see the team go down 0-3 and say, "Yeah, I never liked hockey anyway."

The bottom line here is... pro hockey is a results-oriented industry. The Rangers had a chance to overachieve and live out their Cinderella story. Instead, they played this Final as if they were merely flattered to have made it this far, and they're spending this morning pulling shards of broken glass out of their feet.

Have to say when debating with other teams fan bases--it's more like banging your head against the wall and if you have the idea you're going to prove anything to anybody no matter how rational and logical your argument good ****ing luck. People can parse all kinds of **** all kinds of ways. So many Devils fans seem to have such a pathological hatred for the Rangers and us Rangers fans in particular that I'm hardly going to take too many of them very seriously. Trottier and Brooklyn Devil are two that I would. Canadiens fans?--whatever. Even without Price--their defense was constantly being exposed by our speed--and their offense isn't any better than ours. What they're left with after that is their Montreal mystique and that's about it.

As for Quick-Lundqvist. Quick has been the better goalie in this series.
 
Theres really no need to place blame anywhere. The Rangers are getting beat by a better team with more experience, and it shows.

The Rangers had a bit of panic to their game last night - a lot of guys trying to do too much out there. The Kings are simply more versatile. They alter their play to what the situation dictates quite well, almost on a shift to shift basis. The Rangers were confronted with skill, brawn, and defense at various points last night and they had little answer, particularly at even strength.

Its the toughest thing to admit as a fan but, the Kings are simply a better team.

The Rangers outshot and out chanced the Kings by a large margin last night. 0-0 and Quick makes that spectacular save off of Zuccarello. Then the last second Carter goal and with that wicked deflection no goalie would have made that save unless it hit him.

Kings showed what they can do when they have a lead and it's something we as Rangers fans are used to on both sides. There are just games where we're ahead and the d and Henrik just stifle the other team even when that seems to have all the possession. That was last night--only it happened to us.

The games have all been very competitive in their own way.
 
Came in today and someone who never cared about hockey or even mentioned it said "sorry" when i came in. Im like "for what?" and hes like "your loss"

It pissed me off so much because throughout the entire season and playoffs he hasnt once congratulated me on a win or even making the finals. So now im even more pissed of being reminded of what could have been. I have to put on a happy face at work today when i really want to curl up into a ball eat my face off and sleep all day. Im growing more and more livid as the day goes on. I still cant believe they lost Game 2 the way they did.

Someone earlier, I think it was Hattrick Swayze said "now the bandwagoners are getting a taste of what its like to be a Rangers fan". It would seem that way but the difference is theyll forget about all of this in a few days, while we will never let this down. Ever. It hurts. Talk about being a die hard fan. This epitomizes it. To get this far and get swept possibly. **** the hockey Gods. and **** the co-workers who have no idea what I am going through right now. They have no idea, so they should shut the ****ing mouths.
 
Theres really no need to place blame anywhere. The Rangers are getting beat by a better team with more experience, and it shows.

The Rangers had a bit of panic to their game last night - a lot of guys trying to do too much out there. The Kings are simply more versatile. They alter their play to what the situation dictates quite well, almost on a shift to shift basis. The Rangers were confronted with skill, brawn, and defense at various points last night and they had little answer, particularly at even strength.

Its the toughest thing to admit as a fan but, the Kings are simply a better team.

Well said. The Rangers have definitely surpassed my expectations this year. They have proven that they can beat fast teams like the Habs, skilled teams like the Pens, and physical/slow teams like the Flyers.

The kind of team they've struggled with all year is the good skating, physical team. Non-coincidentally these are some of the best teams in the league - LA, STL, BOS, ANA. The Rangers can beat a lot of teams with their speed, skill, and goaltending. Unfortunately they haven't shown much of an answer for teams that can skate (neutralizing their speed advantage) AND use physicality to control the center of the ice. Rangers scored a lot of goals vs Montreal in the slot but they are having a tough time getting to those areas consistently vs LA.
 
I've had non-Ranger fans (who are hardcore hockey fans) who are buds of mine text me and say how great the Rnagers played last night and can't believe the bounces LA had.

I believe good teams work for those bounces but last night, that was just ridiculous I don't care what anyone says.

BTW - I'll leave Calgary when this series is over and drive to NYC to pick up Richards and then drive him to PEI myself if it meant he's not back next year.
 
that's the funny thing, HBNYC. Had the Rangers lost in the first round, it would have actually been an easier pill to swallow, and the players feel a bit the same way. The goal is to win the Cup. When you get to the finals and taste it, it's different than the first round. It's a tougher loss. Personally, though, I take it far less personally than I used to. I realize I can't control the game, the players, who becomes the players, coach, in-game changes, game prep, etc. If it was work and I controlled it, yea, it would be tough. No control? I just move on.
 
If the Rangers are to lose (and there's a very high chance that they will), please let it be in 5.

Losing in 4 would be embarrassing. Losing in 6 would suck because it's a home game with a chance to force game 7. That would be harsh. Losing in 7 would suck because they would have made an epic comeback to force 7 and then lose.

So if you're going to lose, lose in 5.
 
Came in today and someone who never cared about hockey or even mentioned it said "sorry" when i came in. Im like "for what?" and hes like "your loss"

It pissed me off so much because throughout the entire season and playoffs he hasnt once congratulated me on a win or even making the finals. So now im even more pissed of being reminded of what could have been. I have to put on a happy face at work today when i really want to curl up into a ball eat my face off and sleep all day. Im growing more and more livid as the day goes on. I still cant believe they lost Game 2 the way they did.

Someone earlier, I think it was Hattrick Swayze said "now the bandwagoners are getting a taste of what its like to be a Rangers fan". It would seem that way but the difference is theyll forget about all of this in a few days, while we will never let this down. Ever. It hurts. Talk about being a die hard fan. This epitomizes it. To get this far and get swept possibly. **** the hockey Gods. and **** the co-workers who have no idea what I am going through right now. They have no idea, so they should shut the ****ing mouths.

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I just can't believe the puck luck that team has. Carter takes a shot it gets deflected and goes in the net. Richards makes a pass on a 2v1, it goes off Mac's skate and right back onto his stick.

When those plays happen to the rangers the puck usually flies up into the stands, it's really unbelievable.

I have never seen anything like it, maddeningly frustrating to watch.
 
This game was over when Carter scored with under a second left in the 1st. LA tightened the noose, and never let their boot off our throats.

Another Rangers classic. Give up the crushing late period goal, deflection off Girardi, destroying all momentum. You can't write a more fitting goal to give up.

LA got a bounce in their favor on every goal. That's the one thing about last night that really eats at me.
 
If they can win games 4 & 5 I 'll start to believe they can pull it out. However, that's a huge hill to climb. Mount Los Angeles is seeming pretty massive right now.

It is.

But just win Game 4. Get on a plane. All they can do.

When i was younger I was in the "finals" on a travel team. It was a best of 5 (it changed to best of 3 after that) and we were down 2-0. Before the third game, my assistant coach comes in the locker room and we were all deflated. I personally was nervous as all hell, I didn't want to lose 3-0. He says to us, "Well, at least the pressure's on them." One of our captains said, "What do you mean? If we lose we're done. We have to win." He said, "No, they have to win. They have way more at stake than we do. They need to win to win that third game."

We ended up winning the next two and losing the fifth.

The point is the Kings have to win 4 games. The Rangers won't quit. The season isn't yet over. I wanted to give up down 3-1 to Pittsburgh but I talked myself out of it. I won't give up on this team until someone is holding the Cup above their heads. Until the Kings win 4, we have a chance. It's the only way to look at it without going crazy. It's a cliche, but one shift at a time, one puck battle at a time. They have to find a way to win Game 4 and then go from there. They can't win 4 games in one night.
 
Does anyone remember the 2012 Stanley Cup Finals with the Kings vs. Devils?

Devils lost the first three games, and won the next two to make it a series. Things got interesting, VERY quick.

All it takes is to win ONE game. Start tomorrow. Thats it.
 
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