London Knights 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

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Again, speculating about the church...

But, can you let me know which part is "vague"?

OHL Policy states that, “all players have the right to participate in the Ontario Hockey League in a safe and healthy environment which promotes equal opportunities and prohibits discriminatory practices. All forms of harassment and abuse including, but not limited to, taunts and slurs and comments based on race, age, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, marital status or disability will not be tolerated and are completely unacceptable under any circumstances.”

All OHL players and staff are educated on the OHL’s Diversity Policy that prohibits discriminatory comments of this nature during Players First training that member teams are mandated to conduct prior to the start of each season. Rico Phillips, the OHL’s Director of Culture and Community, is following-up with the player involved in an effort to educate and prevent future occurrences.

This violation of the League’s Code of Conduct carries with it a minimum five-game suspension,

To the players, it's a hockey game, let's have some fun

The exact words players can not use in a game of hockey, all the rule breaking words the league say are against league rules (every word) there are a lot of words. (Ex- the puck is across the line, once there is visible white ice between the puck and the painted line)

 

[Ringing Iron]

The Soo player apparently called him old which is super mean. Sim reacted with a comment that (by the rules) breaks code of conduct. Is it soft? I know my opinion but That's for people to debate. The league is definitely making an example of him.

Let's hope that the others get the same punishment when nonsense js said on the ice (because it's happening all the time).

Let's not pretend it isn't

 

[Otto]

The exact words players can not use in a game of hockey, all the rule breaking words the league say are against league rules (every word) there are a lot of words. (Ex- the puck is across the line, once there is visible white ice between the puck and the painted line)

Can you give us more insight into the OHLs Players First training program? Since you seem to have been through it.

 

[Otto]

The Soo player apparently called him old which is super mean. Sim reacted with a comment that (by the rules) breaks code of conduct. Is it soft? I know my opinion but That's for people to debate. The league is definitely making an example of him.

Let's hope that the others get the same punishment when nonsense js said on the ice (because it's happening all the time).

Let's not pretend it isn't

If that's what was said to Sim then Sims reaction was not only stupid but weak.

There's a lot better comebacks that wouldn't get you suspended. I'll start:

Soo Player: Hey Sim, you're old

Sim: OH ya, your mom didn't think so

 

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Can you give us more insight into the OHLs Players First training program? Since you seem to have been through it.

I never played in OHL, only in the QMJHL (71-74) for les Éperviers de Sorel, Les Castors de Sherbrooke and les Blue Blanc Rouge de Montreal. One of the first things they teach you, is pay no attention to fans, league rules that are different from miner-leagues are reviewed very early in the season, mind you we did not have a ton of rules back then or a lot of suspensions either. Played 3 years of IHL for -Toledo Hornets, OH, -Lansing Lancers, MI and -Fort Wayne, IN with the Komets. After that it was 5 more years of Ontario OHASr in Cambridge and Preston for the Hornets and the Jesters respectively, finishing in Aylmer with the Blues. I did have a serious hip injury while playing for the Blue Blanc Rouge in Montreal that kind of affected my hockey career. That's my history, never was the best, never considered to be the best. I have had my good and bad moments, and proud of my little contribution to the game as a player and as a miner league coach in London/St Thomas. Most of all, I had fun and made some fantastic friends along the way, teammates and foes, to this day. I am almost 72 yrs old and that's my hockey history, now let's talk hockey

 

[Otto]

I never played in OHL, only in the QMJHL (71-74) for les Éperviers de Sorel, Les Castors de Sherbrooke and les Blue Blanc Rouge de Montreal. One of the first things they teach you, is pay no attention to fans, league rules that are different from miner-leagues are reviewed very early in the season, mind you we did not have a ton of rules back then or a lot of suspensions either. Played 3 years of IHL for -Toledo Hornets, OH, -Lansing Lancers, MI and -Fort Wayne, IN with the Komets. After that it was 5 more years of Ontario OHASr in Cambridge and Preston for the Hornets and the Jesters respectively, finishing in Aylmer with the Blues. I did have a serious hip injury while playing for the Blue Blanc Rouge in Montreal that kind of affected my hockey career. That's my history, never was the best, never considered to be the best. I have had my good and bad moments, and proud of my little contribution to the game as a player and as a miner league coach in London/St Thomas. Most of all, I had fun and made some fantastic friends along the way, teammates and foes, to this day. I am almost 72 yrs old and that's my hockey history, now let's talk hockey

That's a long way of saying that you have no idea what happens in the OHL Players First Training Program

 

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That's a long way of saying that you have no idea what happens in the OHL Players First Training Program

Was there anywhere in any posts of mine stating I had an idea what was happening in OHL player's first training programs, please, direct me to it, if you don't mind ? Or perhaps like so many likes to do is assuming non-existing facts

 

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You are having fun Otto with my hockey history, are we to believe you have one too, how about it ?

 

[Fergus31]

Role of taking bad penalties? Seems Boulton can fill that role just fine.
The Knights have an abundance of talented forwards. They'll be fine. At this point, Read, Van Gorp, Nicholl are showing they deserve more ice time. If Haltunnen comes, the top 6 is full. An OA dman in the top 4 is more important than a 4th line forward. And Woolley is playing great, imagine him in the 3rd pair?

On the topic of overagers, Julien has shown some life lately. Not loving his overall body of work though. People assume there are no holes on this team with all the depth but I see glaring holes down the middle if the OA forwards don’t start performing or taking ridiculous penalties and suspensions.

And yes, to your point, defence is not nearly good enough at this time.

 

[Otto]

You are having fun Otto with my hockey history, are we to believe you have one too, how about it ?

Neither your hockey history or mine is relevant when discussing a program that is 3 years old

You made a statement that indicated you knew what took place regarding the OHL code of conduct in the Players First program. Turns out, you don't.

I'm not sure why a person should need a book to tell them how to be a respectable human being, but apparently you do.

Anyway feel free to respond all you want

 

[Kingpin794]

Even if you think worse things are said all the time in game, the point is to change the culture of the game. People are horrified by sexual assault and worse committed by players but make excuses about words. Its all part of the same hockey culture that gets passed down through the generations. It's the same culture that lead to enforcers meeting early graves. It's been changing slowly, but for every step forward, you will have people that lament the loss of the past instead of enjoying progress. You're free to believe it's either a weak call or not evenly enforced, but the game will pass you by if you don't move with it.

 

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Neither your hockey history or mine is relevant when discussing a program that is 3 years old

You made a statement that indicated you knew what took place regarding the OHL code of conduct in the Players First program. Turns out, you don't.

I'm not sure why a person should need a book to tell them how to be a respectable human being, but apparently you do.

Anyway feel free to respond all you want, back to ignore with you.

Great, no history. Thanx for the ignor favor, buddy!

 

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Even if you think worse things are said all the time in game, the point is to change the culture of the game. People are horrified by sexual assault and worse committed by players but make excuses about words. Its all part of the same hockey culture that gets passed down through the generations. It's the same culture that lead to enforcers meeting early graves. It's been changing slowly, but for every step forward, you will have people that lament the loss of the past instead of enjoying progress. You're free to believe it's either a weak call or not evenly enforced, but the game will pass you by if you don't move with it.

It's a good post, this is also why the importance to bring forth a variety of opinions and facts, I respect this Kinping794 post, it does bring another neglected fact not previously mentioned, it does add to the discussion. Cheers!

 

[Frank the Skank]

You are talking about a game, do you know the meaning of a "game", and at what age should the game stop from being enjoyable for old timers?

I didn't think so !

I'm talking about being responsible for your own behavior and not blaming others for your actions, like other players or league officials. I don't know what you're going on about but it sounds like you're OK with slurs. That's a weird take

Great, no history. Thanx for the ignor favor, buddy!

This dude would rely on the experiences of Mike Danton, Alex Formenton and Carter Hart in situations like this because of "experience"

 

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I'm talking about being responsible for your own behavior and not blaming others for your actions, like other players or league officials. I don't know what you're going on about but it sounds like you're OK with slurs. That's a weird take


This dude would rely on the experiences of Mike Danton, Alex Formenton and Carter Hart in situations like this because of "experience"

Yes, you are right, I am ok with the slurs, how much harm does it do in a game of hockey where fun is the name of the game, now if I was anywhere else, that could be a problem, this is no longer a game, it becomes serious. But in a game, got to be able to connect between the two here, common !

 

[Frank the Skank]

Yes, you are right, I am ok with the slurs, how much harm does it do in a game of hockey where fun is the name of the game, now if I was anywhere else, that could be a problem, this is no longer a game, it becomes serious. But in a game, common!

I'm sure you are a riot on family game night. This post right here sums up everything that's wrong with hockey culture

 

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I'm sure you are a riot on family game night. This post right here sums up everything that's wrong with hockey culture

I think the changed is summing up how wrong the game has come to

 

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Take a serious look at the game today, how well protected players are with helmets and equipments, and yet they get hurt by a little slur in their direction. I remember playing without helmets and not so great equipment, we'd laugh at anyone saying slurs instead of raising his fists. Nobody got really hurt or went through boards from checks, rarely sticks came up to our ears, and after the game we were all friends again. I guess you Frank the Skank are totally right when you say everything that's wrong with hockey culture, I am adding of today's

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[Frank the Skank]

I remember playing without helmets

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It shows

 

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It shows

Still living and enjoying life , never got hurt from little chirping, did not need a helmet to protect me from words

Just making a point here, I do realize the game has evolved a lot, and protection is a necessity nor days, just saying words don't hurt, if someone is hurt by them, perhaps hockey is not for him

 

[Frank the Skank]

Still living and enjoying life , never got hurt from little chirping, did not need a helmet to protect me from words

It is not about "protecting" people from words. The statement was posted here read it or continue to be ignorant towards a respectful society

 

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It is not about "protecting" people from words. The statement was posted here read it or continue to be ignorant towards a respectful society

You couldn't be more wrong, my friend, hockey players must find a way to get away from the protection of mommy and daddy, words do not hurt, especially in a game of sort, someone needs to let some players know that

 

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I thought, I seriously thought, I truly believed London had outgrown the immaturity of junior hockey, this is why for the last two years I brought up the suggestion of perhaps London was ready for a more mature team of AHL caliber, I guess I was wrong, everybody can make a mistake. Carry on Junior!

 

[Frank the Skank]

I thought, I seriously thought, I truly believed London had outgrown the immaturity of junior hockey, this is why for the last two years I brought up the suggestion of perhaps London was ready for a more mature team of AHL caliber, I guess I was wrong, everybody can make a mistake. Carry on Junior!

How could you think that when you haven't done it?

 

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How could you think that when you haven't done it?

Alright, move on, Kiddo !