London Knights 2018-19 Season Thread (Part 8)

[Buttsy]

Maybe the refs need an “I hate London” shirt to wear? This is extra odd as normally a fast skating team like London draws a lot of penalties for hooking and holding as the slugs try and slow them up? Seems more then a coincidence I guess we need to call our buddy Branch as he is in our back pocket anyways? Lol......

 

[Otto]

Raise your hand if you think the officiating is biased in favour of the Knights. You'd be wrong...put your arm down:
Knights losing public relations war over penalty calls
Knights losing public relations war over penalty calls

Bull crap.. there should never be any "equity" Don't like the power plays against? don't take penalties. It's pretty simple really. London isn't being treated any differently than any other team.

If you want equity why not just have 1 period where the home team plays a man down, another period where the away team plays a man down, and then 1 period 5 on 5... there.. nice and fair... and everyone can have a participation ribbon and a juice box at the end.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Raise your hand if you think the officiating is biased in favour of the Knights. You'd be wrong...put your arm down:
Knights losing public relations war over penalty calls
Knights losing public relations war over penalty calls

I can only speak for the game in Sudbury, found London to be a team that commits a lot of stick infractions. In fact that night they deserved everyone they were given and I think still were given breaks. A tomahawk style slash from Joey Keane which should resulted in GM was simply given a slashing call and Bouchard I think could of easily been given 4 0r 5 penalties. Sudbury didn't capitalize on i think 9 PP opportunities that night so really not going to blame the officiating on Sudbury losing. But as I said London can play very dirty and get away with a few even though the record shows they have had way less PP opportunities. That can simply can be because they are mostly winning by a large margin to begin with in most of their match ups. As the games get more intense and tighter we hope come playoffs for the sake of all us loyal OHL fans don't see the officiating taking away from the game and being the stars. Let the teams battle and call only the obvious stick infractions and leave the soft calls go like scrums and battles in front of the net. London is a very tough team to beat with or without extra PP opportunities and once Fommerton returns the depth and ability to contain the speed of London will be that much tougher and the less defensive teams will eventually take penalties to slow down the speedy Knights forwards. Best of luck the rest of the way and I look forward to a Guelph/London Western final!

WJ

 

[Fastpace]

Maybe the refs need an “I hate London” shirt to wear? This is extra odd as normally a fast skating team like London draws a lot of penalties for hooking and holding as the slugs try and slow them up? Seems more then a coincidence I guess we need to call our buddy Branch as he is in our back pocket anyways? Lol......

That's usually how it's supposed to work but not if your team wears green is named London Knights, I guess some are trying to even up the playing field.

 

[Fastpace]

If you don't mind I too will also only speak of that game in Sudbury as well.

London's lack of discipline that night was in direct response to what appears to be the Wolves game plan, yes London faultily in their replies to some Sudbury players and were penalized for their bad moves. The Wolves missed out on their chances, they are one of many Knights opponents this year using similar tactics to throw the Knights off their game. If the Knights lead the league in penalty kills it's because they are having a whole lot of practice thanks to teams like that of the Wolves.

 

[Otto]

If you don't mind I too will also only speak of that game in Sudbury as well.

London's lack of discipline that night was in direct response to what appears to be the Wolves game plan, yes London faultily in their replies to some Sudbury players and were penalized for their bad moves. The Wolves missed out on their chances, they are one of many Knights opponents this year using similar tactics to throw the Knights off their game. If the Knights lead the league in penalty kills it's because they are having a whole lot of practice thanks to teams like that of the Wolves.

C'mon... they are the second most penalized team in the Western Conference .. stop blaming the other teams for what the Knights are doing.

 

[Buttsy]

If you want equity why not just have 1 period where the home team plays a man down, another period where the away team plays a man down, and then 1 period 5 on 5... there.. nice and fair... and everyone can have a participation ribbon and a juice box at the end.

What a great idea!

You don’t think it was in response to the constant BS that London runs the League and the Refs are following direction from Mr Branch and are afraid to penalize London do you? Lol.....

 

[Fastpace]

C'mon... they are the second most penalized team in the Western Conference .. stop blaming the other teams for what the Knights are doing.

I think you might want to be a little more observant next time they play Sarnia and Guelph the most commons of the bunch. It's up to you of course.

 

[Otto]

I think you might want to be a little more observant next time they play Sarnia and Guelph the most commons of the bunch. It's up to you of course.

London 12.2 PIM per game, Guelph 9.7.

Take responsibility for your actions

 

[Otto]

What a great idea!

You don’t think it was in response to the constant BS that London runs the League and the Refs are following direction from Mr Branch and are afraid to penalize London do you? Lol.....

Well, it is Ryan Pyette, I wouldn't put it past him to get his topics from a message board

 

[Buttsy]

Well, it is Ryan Pyette, I wouldn't put it past him to get his topics from a message board

Agreed Otto the author is a little biased but I still maintain it is odd as London being a speed team normally you would expect them to draw all sorts of penalties? However more than anything I think Nelli was trying to point out to others “Surely we are not being treated like a team that “runs the league” and gets all sorts of preferential treatment. And for that the article is effective.

 

[Otto]

Agreed Otto the author is a little biased but I still maintain it is odd as London being a speed team normally you would expect them to draw all sorts of penalties? However more than anything I think Nelli was trying to point out to others “Surely we are not being treated like a team that “runs the league” and gets all sorts of preferential treatment. And for that the article is effective.

London no more runs the league than the League has it in for London. The rhetoric goes both ways. It's ludicrous to think that the league favours one team over another or "has it in" for one team.

 

[Fastpace]

London 12.2 PIM per game, Guelph 9.7.

Take responsibility for your actions

That's OK Otto, no need to get all worked up over, numbers you are showing are the results after the facts, yes they are responsible for their actions and are often very undisciplined. It's what slyle of play that is purposely employed by teams of which leads to their undiscipline, I was talking about how the facts are being procured. Yes it's all part of the game and that's why I say there no need to get all worked up over, the Knights just need to play it smarter not get pulled in from those kinds of tactic used against them.

 

[Otto]

That's OK Otto, no need to get all worked up over, numbers you are showing are the results after the facts, yes they are responsible for their actions and are often very undisciplined. It's what slyle of play that is purposely employed by teams of which leads to their undiscipline, I was talking about how the facts are being procured. Yes it's all part of the game and that's why I say there no need to get all worked up over, the Knights just need to play it smarter not get pulled in from those kinds of tactic used against them.

I'm not getting worked up... again you are blaming the other team no matter how you slice it... there is no tactic being employed just because it's London. Stick infractions are lazy penalties and they are the most preventable. It's a discipline issue not an opponent issue. The Knights are not the second most penalize team because they play Sarnia & Guelph... every team in the West plays Sarnia and Guelph. In fact, against the Storm the Knights have had 6, 17, and 10 PIM respectively this season. 2 out of the three games have been below the Knights average for PIM.

 

[Voice from the North]

If you don't mind I too will also only speak of that game in Sudbury as well.

London's lack of discipline that night was in direct response to what appears to be the Wolves game plan, yes London faultily in their replies to some Sudbury players and were penalized for their bad moves. The Wolves missed out on their chances, they are one of many Knights opponents this year using similar tactics to throw the Knights off their game. If the Knights lead the league in penalty kills it's because they are having a whole lot of practice thanks to teams like that of the Wolves.

This isn't a London specific game plan. The Wolves play that way every night regardless of opposition. They use their size and speed to make life miserable for their opponents and get a lot of PP as a result. Now if they can only convert consistently.

 

[nelli27]

Bull crap.. there should never be any "equity" Don't like the power plays against? don't take penalties. It's pretty simple really. London isn't being treated any differently than any other team.

If you want equity why not just have 1 period where the home team plays a man down, another period where the away team plays a man down, and then 1 period 5 on 5... there.. nice and fair... and everyone can have a participation ribbon and a juice box at the end.

My original post was intended to show that the ole "Friday night" officiating at the Bud (to favour the Knights) is a myth that needs to be removed from the minds of some uninformed fans. Let me be clear that I believe the refs are trying to be as neutral as possible and so I don't think the article is entirely accurate especially in its suggestion that the Knights are being targeted by the officials. Sure London deserves their penalties and should be more disciplined...no evidence to suggest the Knights are the recipients of biased officiating as so many who do not watch the Knights as often as we do seem to think.

 

[Otto]

My original post was intended to show that the ole "Friday night" officiating at the Bud (to favour the Knights) is a myth that needs to be removed from the minds of some uninformed fans. Let me be clear that I believe the refs are trying to be as neutral as possible and so I don't think the article is entirely accurate especially in its suggestion that the Knights are being targeted by the officials. Sure London deserves their penalties and should be more disciplined...no evidence to suggest the Knights are the recipients of biased officiating as so many who do not watch the Knights as often as we do seem to think.

Thanks Nelli, let me be clear that my "bull crap" comment wasn't targeted at you, however it was targeted at the author of the column.

 

[Otto]

This isn't a London specific game plan. The Wolves play that way every night regardless of opposition. They use their size and speed to make life miserable for their opponents and get a lot of PP as a result. Now if they can only convert consistently.

But don't you know that teams set their game plan for the entire season just so they can test it out thoroughly and have it working perfect for when they play London?

 

[Fastpace]

I'm not getting worked up... again you are blaming the other team no matter how you slice it... there is no tactic being employed just because it's London. Stick infractions are lazy penalties and they are the most preventable. It's a discipline issue not an opponent issue. The Knights are not the second most penalize team because they play Sarnia & Guelph... every team in the West plays Sarnia and Guelph. In fact, against the Storm the Knights have had 6, 17, and 10 PIM respectively this season. 2 out of the three games have been below the Knights average for PIM.

There are game plans, there are set plays and each player has a role on their respected team or shiifts. If any team coming in against the Knights or any other teams without any of it, then I'd say they are fools for even attempting it at this level. And I don't and never have disputed for each player being in control of their discipline on the Knights, what they are not in control of is the actions taken by their opposing players. Do the Knights go back after their opponents or do they present the other cheek and let the referees handle the situations, in junior hockey it's a hard thing to do and your opposing coach knows that.

 

[Living Vicariously]

Thanks Nelli, let me be clear that my "bull crap" comment wasn't targeted at you, however it was targeted at the author of the column.

Think the article was some pre-playoff propaganda intended to catch the eye of the league and head officials?

For the record I don't think there is any targeting of specific teams going on either.

 

[Tarantula]

I highly doubt the league pays much heed to the London beat reporter, just a writer writing to his audience........

 

[Purple Phart]

Think the article was some pre-playoff propaganda intended to catch the eye of the league and head officials?

For the record I don't think there is any targeting of specific teams going on either.

Mr. Branch has exhibited some sensitivity in the past as to how the league is perceived to be. It's one thing for a specific GM or Coach to express these ideas, but quite another when it gets "media coverage or exposure". As a previous poster mentioned, the writer appears to be biased, but more than one beat writer has been tarred with that brush. How much are any given articles slanted toward promoting a team's agenda ? I suspect that the writer's personal relationships with the team as a whole, have a degree of influence with the stories they publish.

 

[Buttsy]

London no more runs the league than the League has it in for London. The rhetoric goes both ways. It's ludicrous to think that the league favours one team over another or "has it in" for one team.

Well said.........

 

[Buttsy]

When it comes to the success of this years Knights Team I think home ice will play a significant factor in Playoff success, especially in the Western Conference. Looks like we are 6 points up on the Soo with a game in hand. Guelph although a strong team now is to far back most likely, same to be said for Saginaw in reality. London would really have to go in the dumper to let either of them back in the race. However don't misunderstand me they may not be able to catch London but most of that is because of their pre trade deadline performance. They are both much better teams now.

Question who has the tougher schedule remaining between us and the Soo and will the Knights hang on? We are starting it appears to put a bit of distance between us and the rest. Dare I jinx the boys?

 

[Otto]

There are game plans, there are set plays and each player has a role on their respected team or shiifts. If any team coming in against the Knights or any other teams without any of it, then I'd say they are fools for even attempting it at this level. And I don't and never have disputed for each player being in control of their discipline on the Knights, what they are not in control of is the actions taken by their opposing players. Do the Knights go back after their opponents or do they present the other cheek and let the referees handle the situations, in junior hockey it's a hard thing to do and your opposing coach knows that.

... again... ignoring that 2 of the 3 games against Guelph had below average PIM and that the Knights are second in the West in PIM ....