Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[tazsub3]

that's very tough to know though as I used to rail against posters that hyped up Beaulieu when he was in Hamilton, I talked about how he kept repeating the same stupid mistakes over and over and how that is a big red flag. If you had of told me then that he would still end up playing almost 500 games in the NHL I would have said no way he's too stupid and can't get a shot on net to save his life. I was wrong.

Now that there's 32 teams it's watered down even more. One thing Mailloux has shown so far is he can produce but to try and figure out how much can he produce as say a PP specialist 7th D if he can't improve his defense vs what the lazy and or stupid plays he makes. It's just hard to know how much improvement he can make or not.

I have a lot of concerns, as he will just give up on a play at times and others he just does the opposite of what you should do. But I look at Baron and think Mailloux can be better then him.

very well said. I keepo reading how many dont value mailloux and that reinbacher was the wrong pick, yet the same people say the habs biggest need is RD.
I would say we should stay patient. things will figure themselves out , especially with elite management

 

[Beendair Donedat]

4 years in the AHL?

Which great players spent four years in the AHL?

Not the AHL, but Brian Rafalski spent 4 years in Europe after College hockey before coming to the NHL.

Ryan Pulock was drafted as a 1st rounder, 15th overall and spent just over 3 years in the AHL.

A couple of right hand shooting defensemen that took longer but turned out well. Time will tell, I think Mailloux will be fine in a limited/sheltered role on a bottom pair.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Trade him before it's too late, with his low hockey I.Q, he won't amount to anything.

 

[No More Subban]

I'm confused. People give up on this guy so easily. Not me. Our biggest need is RHD. He isn't perfect but I still believe he'll make the lineup soon.

Hutson is small and can't defend but I'm sure nobody here wants to trade him.

 

[HuGort]

Not the AHL, but Brian Rafalski spent 4 years in Europe after College hockey before coming to the NHL.

Ryan Pulock was drafted as a 1st rounder, 15th overall and spent just over 3 years in the AHL.

A couple of right hand shooting defensemen that took longer but turned out well. Time will tell, I think Mailloux will be fine in a limited/sheltered role on a bottom pair.

Mailloux such a wildcard it's hard to judge. Not your traditional defense prospect

 

[Hacketts]

I'm confused. People give up on this guy so easily. Not me. Our biggest need is RHD. He isn't perfect but I still believe he'll make the lineup soon.

Hutson is small and can't defend but I'm sure nobody here wants to trade him.

lol

 

[Goalfield13]

Bump. How did he play yesterday?

 

[Vachon23]

Bump. How did he play yesterday?

Still very lost defensively

 

[WinterLion]

I bet they will play him a lot when Savard gets traded. He needs it.

 

[Goalfield13]

Still very lost defensively

Pretty nice goal though.

 

[Vachon23]

Pretty nice goal though.

Yes but 1 good play do not compensate the fact that he wasn’t good for the rest of the game

 

[Deebs]

Bump. How did he play yesterday?

I thought he had a fairly decent game all things considered. Playing with Matheson is always difficult because he's so unpredictable, no real practice time with the team and of course, he's a young inexperienced D man.

 

[FrankMTL]

This guy has the talent to be a 50 point defenseman if he can develop the defensive side of his game enough to be at least decent.

 

[Deebs]

This guy has the talent to be a 50 point defenseman if he can develop the defensive side of his game enough to be at least decent.

I think he can get to that point but what I think we'd have to do is insulate him with our best defensive D man, which at this point would be Guhle. With Guhle's IQ and elite skating, he could really help Logan overcome his defensive shortcomings.

I see something similar with Hutson. Eventually I hope Reinbacher becomes that defensive rock for Lane, so he can continue to run wild out there without all the major repercussions we saw when he was paired with Matty. Need that balance at 5v5.

 

[417]

Still very lost defensively

Mailloux more than most prospects I find suffers from a lot of confirmation bias.

We're all aware that he's not the strongest defensively, so his defensive mistakes are amplified and unless he's producing offense at a high rate, his defensive miscues are always going to be the more talked about aspect of his game.

 

[Vachon23]

I think he can get to that point but what I think we'd have to do is insulate him with our best defensive D man, which at this point would be Guhle. With Guhle's IQ and elite skating, he could really help Logan overcome his defensive shortcomings.

The problem is that I want Guhle to face other team best lines but I can’t see him doing this with Mailloux as partner

Mailloux more than most prospects I find suffers from a lot of confirmation bias.

We're all aware that he's not the strongest defensively, so his defensive mistakes are amplified and unless he's producing offense at a high rate, his defensive miscues are always going to be the more talked about aspect of his game.

It’s not a confirmation bias, I rarely saw a Dmen that lost defensively. He seems to have some difficulties with his concentration, he looks completely lost sometimes.

 

[Deebs]

The problem is that I want Guhle to face other team best lines but I can’t see him doing this with Mailloux as partner

Still can but more importantly the forwards have to buy in and play better team defense. If there's a magical line we'd face, we can always try for the Guhle/Reinbacher matchup as much as possible. Like my boy Mick always said.....you can't always get what you want

 

[waitin425]

I don't always advocate for transforming D men into offensive players or vice versa. Something about Mailloux on RW is appealing to me.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heinemen - Newhook - Mailloux
Anderson - Beck - Gally

 

[Habs Halifax]

very well said. I keepo reading how many dont value mailloux and that reinbacher was the wrong pick, yet the same people say the habs biggest need is RD.
I would say we should stay patient. things will figure themselves out , especially with elite management

The dilemma here is time needed for both Reinbacher and Mailloux to reach top 4D levels. I have confidence in both but once again... time?

What I fear is Reinbacher and Mailloux need 3 years to reach top 4D level and we wasted prime years of Suzuki on a value contract and also Demidov's ELC. This is not just some easy decision where we say it's OK to be patient and sit back. It's much more complicated than that. Wasting prime years and value contract years has to be factored in this equation

Think about how long it took us to get Suzuki when we had Price in his prime and on a value contract. We were searching to fill holes for way too long and it was worse... our futures and picks were not enough to get in on trades.

 

[Vachon23]

Still can but more importantly the forwards have to buy in and play better team defense. If there's a magical line we'd face, we can always try for the Guhle/Reinbacher matchup as much as possible. Like my boy Mick always said.....you can't always get what you want

Guhle-Reinbacher is actually the pair I want to see. A shutdown pair that could face other teams top lines

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't always advocate for transforming D men into offensive players or vice versa. Something about Mailloux on RW is appealing to me.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heinemen - Newhook - Mailloux
Anderson - Beck - Gally

It never hurts to try it. We are not married to that just because we tried it in a few games.

Guhle-Reinbacher is actually the pair I want to see. A shutdown pair that could face other teams top lines

Agreed. I was thinking about this as well and I think we touched on this last summer as well. We need a rock pairing to lean on.

This may sound strange and out of nowhere but I would have Hutson with Xhekaj and we shelter that pairing as much as we can. Make no mistake, Hutson is going to be targeted physically more and more

 

[417]

It’s not a confirmation bias, I rarely saw a Dmen that lost defensively. He seems to have some difficulties with his concentration, he looks completely lost sometimes.

I wasn't suggesting you specifically. I haven't watched Mailloux enough to really make a determination.

I just know that since he was drafted it's all I've read about and sometimes that kind of stuff clouds judgement.

The few times I have watched him, I thought he needed work with his positioning and decision making in the defensive zone, but not to the level it's referred too. I mean, he hasn't played a ton of hockey either, i'm not expecting him to be a polished defender at this stage of his development.

But he does have undeniable qualities offensively.

 

[Vachon23]

It never hurts to try it. We are not married to that just because we tried it in a few games.



Agreed. I was thinking about this as well and I think we touched on this last summer as well. We need a rock pairing to lean on.

This may sound strange and out of nowhere but I would have Hutson with Xhekaj and we shelter that pairing as much as we can. Make no mistake, Hutson is going to be targeted physically more and more

I would try to get a better Dmen then Arber for Hutson.

A physical RD that can skate

 

[Scriptor]

I don't always advocate for transforming D men into offensive players or vice versa. Something about Mailloux on RW is appealing to me.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heinemen - Newhook - Mailloux
Anderson - Beck - Gally

Mailloux with a strictly supporting role on offense isn't remotely as valuable as Mailloux on RD, IMO.

 

[waitin425]

Mailloux with a strictly supporting role on offense isn't remotely as valuable as Mailloux on RD, IMO.

He is a big body and physical. He could be taught to be a forechecker. Playing 3rd line RW it wouldn't be out of the question for him to pot 20+ goals as well.

Sure he could be a 50 point guy from the back end....but we may have better defensive guys to work the back end, while we capitalize on Mailloux's offensive instincts.