Thanks man, really appreciate you taking the time to write this!
Traded Linus Ullmark traded to OTT for 25th, Kastelic and Korpisalo(25% retained)
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BonHoonLayneCornell
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Hey no problem! Nice to be getting excited again isn't it. It was a super short clip, but the one of Linus himself was pretty cool too. Not sure if that's a common occurrence for a guy to post a video introducing himself to fans, but it seemed genuine.
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Some team is going to have a goaltending issue or injury. Having the ability to pickup a top tier goalie for 500k after we retain, there's going to be a lineup out the door... Even if he's just the insurance policy m
frightenedinmatenum2
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A big thing to consider is that putting Ottawa on his no trade list in this context may not mean he doesn't want to be here. It might be a way for his agent to gain complete control over the scenario to ensure Ottawa has to give him the extension he wants, or not get him.
It also might have simply been a miscalculation on Boston's part. A fear of Ullmark putting Ottawa on his no trade list doesn't mean they definitively know that he would do it. But they may not have wanted to take the risk.
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If the Sens have to move Ullmark they're going to face the exact same problem the Bruins just had - the player has an extensive NTC that is difficult to navigate.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I don't think people should expect to recoup anywhere close to the 1st at the trade deadline.
Not to mention, if we're trading Ullmark and not keeping him as an own-rental, that means we are set to miss the playoffs again, and likely have bigger issues than recouping value on Ullmark.
With that said, people often fail to account for value that has already been realized. If we get a late 2nd for Ullmark at the trade deadline, we traded the 25th pick to rent a star goalie for what effectively was our entire season (since our season is over if we're trading him), and to dump 75 percent of Korpisalo's contract. That's still good value.
Even a trade that is seen as a disaster, like the Chychrun trade, that could potentially be not that bad depending on if we do get back a 1st and we caliber of prospect we get. The trade is never going to end up as good value, but if we recoup a top 20 pick and a 2nd rounder, and you account for getting Chychrun as a rental down the stretch two years ago when we were somehow still gunning for a playoff spot despite our best efforts not to be in one, that's not nearly the disaster that the trade is made out to be. People sometimes only focus on the value of the assets at the time the trade is made and not account for any value that already was realized.
Yeah I thought that vid was pretty cool, but I’m a sucker for optimism lol. Seriously though, this week looks to be jammed packed with interesting news for us going forward. Seeing Brady in tears for his brothers win, have me thinking he’ll be fired up this season, and the new baby will keep him a bit more serious and grounded to the task at hand. That’s the hope anyways!
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It seems like the Sens haven't had a legit goalie in quite awhile. I hope Ullmark can provide better goaltending that our previous goaltenders.
Considering that i was optomistic about the Sens chances the last two years to only have the Sens crap the bed both years, i am going to be cautiously optomistic about them this year.
Considering that i was optomistic about the Sens chances the last two years to only have the Sens crap the bed both years, i am going to be cautiously optomistic about them this year.
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I think he might be more flexible if we're not in the playoff picture and if he wants to make a run somewhere. He'd be a FA only a couple months after that and is going to choose his spot anyway.
If we're out of playoff contention by the TDL, I imagine a pedestrean season by Ullmark would be a part of it. Hardly a situation that would let him pick his own spot.
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.910 save percentage average for his last three seasons in Buffalo…. VS….. .923 average for his last three seasons in Boston
That is a big difference…. Not “hardly better.
And just what is anyone grasping at here.
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He has the one outlier season which happened to come in Boston when the team had a historic year.
Outside of that one season, he's been pretty consistent. You can make the case that Boston's defense helped him out the first two seasons when as a team they were 1st and 3rd in the league in xGA, while in Buf the last three seasons he was there they ranged from 11th to 27th depending on the season, but this past season Boston wasn't the defensive juggernaut it had been with Bergeron and Krejci out, coming in at 16th in xGA.
Don't expect a .938 sv% and we'll be fine. The narrative that he's a product of Boston is flawed.
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He had a 16-team NTC for the 23-24 season. If he didn't want to go West, and there's 16 teams in the Western Conference, then how were Ottawa and Toronto on his list? If he didn't have all of the Western Conference teams on his NTC, then surely there were other teams who could have made sense where Boston didn't need to take on a supposed cap dump to make a trade?
Even so, you're telling me the only teams in the East who could use an upgrade in nets were Toronto and Ottawa? What about Montreal, Washington, Philadelphia, Columbus and Detroit? Hell, even Pittsburgh and Carolina are probably in that grouping too, looking to solidify their goaltending while they still have some daylight in their contention windows.
It's not a theory that makes a lot of sense logically. I'm guessing Boston feel like they got what they were looking for out of a guy they viewed as a backup and you guys wanna make it sound like Danny and Rusty pulled off an elaborate heist of Terry's casino vault.
BondraTime
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There are maybe 5 teams looking for a goalie around the league, and those teams were pretty easy to spot last year. Not all teams are looking to trade for and extend a goalie at a high price. The market for Ullmark was probably 5 teams, and they were easy to spot last year as teams that may be looking to upgrade in net.
Not all teams in the Western conference would be on his list, because you can be pretty sure some teams won't be trading for a goalie because they have their starter already (Ottinger/Hellebuyck/Demko/Saros/etc.) or are not teams looking to compete right now by trading value for a goaltender (Ducks/Sharks/Arizona/Seattle/Blackhawks/Calgary). You could have safely added 6 Western teams and felt confident.
Colorado
Vegas
Edmonton
LA
St. Louis
Minny
That would leave 10 teams in the East you can add in.
Then you look at: Shesterkin/Sorokin/Bobrovsky/Vasilevsky, that's 4 teams you don't need to add for sure. He's already walked from the Sabres, and they have UPL and Levi as young goaltenders they are giving the reigns too. Can add Carolina because they have been upfront about not paying their goaltenders.
Ottawa
Toronto
Montreal (doubtful they'd be looking for a golaie, but you can still add them)
Columbus
Flyers
Devils
Pens
Caps
Canes
Wings
Give or take a team from each conference.
It would have been pretty easy for Ullmark and his camp to create a 16 team list essentailly blocking every percievable trade partner. There aren't many teams looking to trade for bigtime goaltenders
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He probably just wanted to stay in Boston and was strategic with his NTC by putting teams that hadn't committed to a #1 goalie yet.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I would look at it this way. If a player has a full NMC, that doesn't mean they aren't open to a trade in the right scenario.
His agent apparently tried to maximize Ullmark's trade protection to allow Ullmark to maintain as much control over the situation as possible. If there is any truth to the speculation that he may have put Ottawa on his no trade list on July 1st, that doesn't mean Ullmark doesn't like Ottawa or doesn't want to be here. It means his agent is doing his job by putting Ullmark in the driver's seat.
It could mean that he preferred to stay in Boston and play out the season there, even if the prospect of an extension was low. Or it could mean he preferred to come to Ottawa, but only with a massive extension that he would have the leverage to ask for if he could block a trade. Now if he signs an extension, he has less leverage because he is already here.
So I don't think the take away should be that he is upset about being traded to Ottawa, or doesn't want to be here. If there is truth to it, the take away should be that his agent may have done his job and given Ullmark near-complete control over the situation.
The other factor is that players don't like when trade talks are dragged on. If there was any direct or indirect communication that Ottawa would be on the no-trade list come July 1st, and they were the last team standing, that could have been the agent's way of expediting the process to ensure that the Bruins did not keep Ullmark in limbo until training camp or later. As in, we know you're trying to squeeze the biggest return by waiting Ottawa out, but that's not our problem, he has been shopped since the deadline, either get it done with Ottawa before July 1st or we'll put them on the list. That could have been the context.
A lot of the speculation and rumors are a game of telephone because so many insiders, fake or otherwise, have given us contradicting events. But if we assume the fear about Ullmark putting Ottawa on his no trade list was real, we shouldn't assume it was because he doesn't want to play here since these things are rarely that simple.
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Ottawa was not on his no trade list
Ottawa was not on his no trade list
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frightenedinmatenum2
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Interesting about Forsberg.
I figured we might try to trade him to clear cap since we are so tight, but maybe we are looking for some synergy with him and Ullmark being Swedish. Almost like in those NHL video games.
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I hope post July 1st something gets worked out but this would line up with the news that a extension wouldn't necessarily be signed until both sides know what they're working with
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