This is a good point. Like wouldn't almost anyone else in that scenario kinda say "i like it here, but i want to be a starter'?
Value of: Linus Ullmark to your goalie needy team
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Weird.... you are willing to trade away a Vezina trophy winner.
But we are good people here in L.A. and don't want to take advantage of you.
We insists that he stays in Boston
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Boston is between a rock and a hard place on this one and won't get fair value for him. 15 team NTC and every team negotiating knows Boston has to dump him to keep Swayman.
There are a few teams desperate for a starter though, could lead to a bit of a bidding war.
There are a few teams desperate for a starter though, could lead to a bit of a bidding war.
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I mean the cap is the cap and having an expensive goalie, no matter if it’s Swayman or Ullmark, on the bench is a luxury the team can’t afford. Before this postseason I wasn’t so sure it wouldn’t be Swayman on the move since he would net a better return with age and lack of trade protection in his favor…
But Sweeney would get tarred and feathered if he moved Swayman now, even if it was the smarter move.
I like this one for one swap from the B's perspective. I believe they were rumored to be in on Chychryn when the Coyotes traded him.
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Three-Way Trade
To Ottawa
Ullmark
To Boston
Necas
To Carolina
Chychrun
There'd probably be picks involved too, but what do you guys think?
To Ottawa
Ullmark
To Boston
Necas
To Carolina
Chychrun
There'd probably be picks involved too, but what do you guys think?
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Guess I was wrong about the devils not be that interested in ullmark lol
wintersej
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It’s going to be interesting what these goalies get. The difference between what the media is throwing out there and folks here are throwing out there is vast.
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That's a crazy price if the Senators trade Chychrun + 1st + another selection for Ullmark. I just don't see that happening.
wintersej
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I have to assume that would include the cost to dump one of their current goalies, but even then… I mean I don’t think Boston takes on Korpisalo even for that, but that’s too much to take one year of Forsborg.
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The statement in bold isn't necessarily accurate. Boston has 21m in cap space next year. While not moving Ullmark would limit what Boston can bring in. They could conceivably re-sign Swayman and still have enough cap to address their center issue.
I also think people are overplaying Ullmark's 15-team NTC. Markstom has a full NMC, Gibson a 10-team NTC.... Matter of fact, Suros is one of the few starters in the league who doesn't have some type of trade protection and it's questionable whether he's still even on the market.
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It’s pretty understandable that Ullmark doesn’t want to leave a team that’s finished with 107 points or more his 3 years there.
Anaheim has been a bottom feeder since 2018-19.
It was reported that Markstrom blocked a trade with his NTC, so that’s a factor there too.
This was Markstrom and Calgary after Calgary traded away Lindholm and 3 defensemen, so maybe he’s open to a trade somewhere.
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Holy misleading post Batman!
Saying it like this makes it sound like Carey was traded for Oates, Ranford and Tocchet and not
Carey, Jason Allison, Anson Carter a 2nd and a 3rd for Oates, Ranford and Tocchet.
Necas has by far the most value in this proposal, particularly given Ullmark's NTC and Chychrun seemingly wanting out of Ottawa and having his own NTC, so might be a bit tough to balance out, but not bad overall.
Seems like Ullmark doesn't want to leave Boston though and Ottawa might be a tough sell, so getting him to waive to go there is probably a legit obstacle.
It's not surprising though and par lately for hockey media. This kind of chatter sells newspapers and draws eyeballs to online and broadcast journalism...that's the real commodity. That which will draw the most attention and sell ads...leads. Truth is second place at best and is only a consideration in order to maintain enough credibility to sell "audience attention" as worthwhile.
For example, look at the Guentzel trade. Carolina gave up an unprecedented amount to acquire Jake...and Pittsburgh fans were upset because they had been misled as to what the return might include.
There was never any possibility it was returning Nikishin or Nadeau (both of which had been rumored), the only way Morrow was being included was if he was about to Adam Fox Carolina, and an unconditional 1st would have made the rest of the package fluff not even as good as the specs they got. I'm pretty sure Bunting cost Pittsburgh nothing in the return and the Canes included him because Dubas wanted him and the Canes wanted the cap space.
They only believed these were potential returns because "hockey insiders" threw around big offers that were certainly never on the table in order to sell ad space. There's likewise no way Ullmark returns Chychrun plus anything significant.
wintersej
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I mean sure, that's why Toronto is "in on everyone". Clicks equals salaries. It's either that or state run media. Pick your poison.
But you are making up a lot in the middle talking about the Carolina/Pittsburgh deal. Any business conversation is very very fluid, and unless the reporter is on the phone line live they are getting information that is second hand and potentially way out of date. They get fed info. Maybe they were getting fed info from someone on the Pens side. Who knows. Doesn't mean they are making shit up. You are making a big jump there which is kinda funny considering you are trying to dunk on them for making things up.
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Depends on how many teams that are in need of a starter will be on his no trade list.
How many teams that need a goalie are playoff teams? How many of those can bring in 5M without moving people out? Is Boston taking salary back?
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When you consider what Chychrun's value would be, that would be an insane return on a goalie who needs a new contract.
Assume on the lower end that Chychrun moved at the deadline for a 2nd and a prospect. Lets say he goes to detroit for a 2nd and Wallinder or Mazur.
That would mean that Ullmark, with a trade clause that could make him very difficult to move and needing a new deal, would get a nearly unprecedented goalie return. At 31 years old. On the low end that return would be a 1st, 2nd, decent prospect (not just a connor timmins reclamation project), and another pick lol. That's kind of insane unless it involves Korpi going back...which doesn't make much sense for Boston imo
