Player Discussion Linus Ullmark (G)

[JSSSTP]

One of the worst GMs of all time.

Top 3 easy.

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

 

[Senovision]

We struck gold by paying Ullmark 8 mil to not play for Bos, and 1mil for Korpisalo to take Boston down from the inside, masterful chess move to destroy a division rival

Korpisalo is 9 and 6, so he is winning more games than he is losing. Not taking down Boston from the inside so far.
Korpi has the same save percentage and goals against as Forsberg. Forsberg is 8 and 10 and they are both backup goalies.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

yes.

not only did he suck at evaluating hockey, no one respected him or took him seriously.

 

[Micklebot]

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

I don't think he was actually in the running for worst GM of all time, it's just that he lasted a long time while being bad. Most GMs worse than him would have gotten fired much quicker so you have a laundry list of bad moves for him while worse GMs are less memorable.

Now, he may be up there for most damage done, though the few home runs he did hit offsets that a bit, even if you want to attribute them to luck.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I don't think he was actually in the running for worst GM of all time, it's just that he lasted a long time while being bad. Most GMs worse than him would have gotten fired much quicker so you have a laundry list of bad moves for him while worse GMs are less memorable.

Now, he may be up there for most damage done, though the few home runs he did hit offsets that a bit, even if you want to attribute them to luck.

I think the timing of the ownership change kept in along a few extra years. He wasn’t able to get another job in hockey operations, he’s working in media now.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

Good luck finding four others GMs who were definitely worse and stuck around for 7 years.

 

[PlayOn]

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

I doubt anyone here actually has enough knowledge of GMs throughout history to do a ranking.

Dorion didn’t do anything well besides drafting but I don’t know that he hemorrhaged our future either. Certainly didn’t help it. Maybe if he’d traded Stützle or Tkachuk, an actual major piece of the rebuild, it would’ve created irreparable damage. As it stands I don’t think he put us in a position where we can’t recover, he just made Staios’ job a lot harder than it needed to be.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I still can't believe that Pierre Dorion is going to play in net for Sweden at the 4 Nations tournament.

I know that he was a goalie in Junior A or something, but it's pretty impressive none the less.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I still can't believe that Pierre Dorion is going to play in net for Sweden at the 4 Nations tournament.

I know that he was a goalie in Junior A or something, but it's pretty impressive none the less.

corrected this for you

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

corrected this for you

Someone correcting my post to state that, "I know something".

Probably the biggest compliment I have received on this board.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I doubt anyone here actually has enough knowledge of GMs throughout history to do a ranking.

Dorion didn’t do anything well besides drafting but I don’t know that he hemorrhaged our future either. Certainly didn’t help it. Maybe if he’d traded Stützle or Tkachuk, an actual major piece of the rebuild, it would’ve created irreparable damage. As it stands I don’t think he put us in a position where we can’t recover, he just made Staios’ job a lot harder than it needed to be.

It's more the death by a million cuts than simply 1 or 2 egregious things he did. Some bigger, some smaller. Like Mick said, he lasted a long time compared to others that would have been let go sooner, so the path is longer. The lists vary too.

Starting off by moving Zibanejad and finishing off with the worst UFA contract ever handed out in Ottawa (Korpisalo) certainly made him have a stink on entry and exit and is an ironic capture of the type of tenure he had.

Duchene trade for a ransom as the last ditch effort only months before deciding to rebuild. Obviously did not asses his team's state at the time well.

Only extracting long term value out of Karlsson from all the rebuild sell offs after the trade trees all collapsed is pretty glaring. Luckily, the Karlsson deal did still happen or it would have been an epic disaster.

Obviously Cat and Chychrun being expensive acquisitions not working out and not being long term pieces was big.

A few reaches at the draft like Boucher, Jarventie and some others I can't recall atm hurt them. Every team does it, but that regime had a couple that were perplexing based on where the guys they did take were anticipated to go and who else was there.

Mismanaging of the money when Melnyk did open up. The Dadonov & Murray signings being at the forefront of that.

Smaller things like saddling himself with a long term Zaitsev unnecessarily or not being able to hit with a competent tender, or at least during the time he had them.

Some of the short term stuff like moving Gus for Talbot or giving Colin White a big payday came back to bite him as well.

Paying to get rid of numerous of the self inflicted mistakes above cost them assets on top of it.

Dadonov fiasco.

I feel like his inability to effectively manage the PR for the team with a few train wreck moments, as basically the only guy they were rolling out there for a while, just sort of hammered it all home as a total package of looking bad as a manager and as an organization. Although nothing he said will ever top the Nick Rutkowski quote that Senators fans should be excited by the existence of the salary cap floor that the Senators were required to spend to. While they were like 8-10 mil below that number in real salary spending.

All in all they are basically starved for assets at this point even though they may be okay with competent management. I don't think that's reasonable given where they came from and burned through and I don't know who else you would hold accountable for it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I understand that he was definitely shit for us despite a few lucky home runs, but is he actually in that conversation? Honest question, I don’t know much about the history of GMs.

He absolutely is. Only GM clearly worse than him is the legendarily terrible Mike Milbury.

His incompetence was staggeringly obvious almost immediately after he fell ass backwards into the GM job.

Took many years for me (and others) to convince the more optimistic fans around here that he was a disaster and we'd go nowhere with him as GM.

 

[bicboi64]

He absolutely is. Only GM clearly worse than him is the legendarily terrible Mike Milbury.

His incompetence was staggeringly obvious almost immediately after he fell ass backwards into the GM job.

Took many years for me (and others) to convince the more optimistic fans around here that he was a disaster and we'd go nowhere with him as GM.

Ron Hextall and Peter Chiarelli in EDM are in the same tier as Dorion. Milbury is S tier awful, those 3 are probably in the A tier of worst GMs

 

[lang006]

Does Sweden start Ullmark next game or will they go back to Gus? I'd be fine with him getting a game in and hopefully looking sharp. That said, definitely not very interested in him playing 3 games in a row for Sweden.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ron Hextall and Peter Chiarelli in EDM are in the same tier as Dorion. Milbury is S tier awful, those 3 are probably in the A tier of worst GMs

Dorion was definitely worse than Hextall and Chiarelli.

He's probably in the same tier as Jim Benning and Stan Bowman and in the running for worst GM of the 21st century thus far.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ron Hextall and Peter Chiarelli in EDM are in the same tier as Dorion. Milbury is S tier awful, those 3 are probably in the A tier of worst GMs

He was terrible, but I do think those high picks in Edmonton were part of the problem and skewed some perception. The impact of the players picked wasn't really representative of their draft status. Yakupov was a total bust. Larsson wanted out after his dad passed. Hall was a stats monster more than a lead the charge A player. RNH was the exception, but he also plays behind 2 of the best 4 or 5 forwards in the world and took a while to get to where he is. Not defending his tenure, just think too much gets made of the picks considering what they actually got out of them.

 

[bicboi64]

He was terrible, but I do think those high picks in Edmonton were part of the problem and skewed some perception. The impact of the players picked wasn't really representative of their draft status. Yakupov was a total bust. Larsson wanted out after his dad passed. Hall was a stats monster more than a lead the charge A player. RNH was the exception, but he also plays behind 2 of the best 4 or 5 forwards in the world and took a while to get to where he is. Not defending his tenure, just think too much gets made of the picks considering what they actually got out of them.

These moves were pretty horrendous considering how many assets and capspace the Oil had to start their rebuild around McDavid:

• Hall for Larsson
• Traded a 1st in the 2015 draft for Griffin Reinhart
• Eberle for Strome
• Strome for Spooner
• Lucic contract
• Koskinen contract

Like this was asset management that is pathetically comical.