Player Discussion Linus Ullmark (G)

[RickyLafleur]

This guy is cooked. Every goalie except Anderson comes here and they have the worst season of their careers.

 

[coladin]

He is going to be ok. He was better and will continue to get better the more he plays

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What's with the panic with Linus? Thought he was pretty good last night and it was the team in front of him that lost the game.

 

[PlayOn]

What's with the panic with Linus? Thought he was pretty good last night and it was the team in front of him that lost the game.

I think people are panicked about everything right now lol. I agree, he had a nice game. Second goal wasn’t good but he made a lot of great saves. The last two games have been two of Ottawa’s worst defensively, they were doing a much better job earlier in the season.

I get the argument that he needs to be better given what we are paying him and I think he will be. But he kept them in it last night, not much to complain about from my perspective.

 

[bicboi64]

He is so not the gamebreaking goalie we need him to be

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think people are panicked about everything right now lol. I agree, he had a nice game. Second goal wasn’t good but he made a lot of great saves. The last two games have been two of Ottawa’s worst defensively, they were doing a much better job earlier in the season.

I get the argument that he needs to be better given what we are paying him and I think he will be. But he kept them in it last night, not much to complain about from my perspective.

Ya that's true and fair, I guess last night just seemed like he did keep them in it when they were so sloppy. Big saves that led to the puck in the net, but because of poor defensive coverage. Imo he was not at all the problem last night and easily played well enough for them to win.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

even the 2nd goal.

what was it like a drop pass one timer from the bottom of the circle 7 feet out?

that goal was on the team too not linus.

 

[Golden_Jet]

even the 2nd goal.

what was it like a drop pass one timer from the bottom of the circle 7 feet out?

that goal was on the team too not linus.

No that was on Linus, the puck can’t squeeze through him like that.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He'd made lots of big saves up to that point and the team was playing with fire not able to score, again.

I think it's a compounding effect where the team knows Linus is struggling which affects their play, and Linus knows the team is struggling and isn't going to score enough to make his nights easy so has the world on his shoulders.

 

[Micklebot]

even the 2nd goal.

what was it like a drop pass one timer from the bottom of the circle 7 feet out?

that goal was on the team too not linus.

That's a save he needs to make. It was certainly a bad change that created the chance, but there was no lateral movement of the puck, there was no screen, it's a save you need to make, and it went through him.

As for 7 feet out, no idea where you get that number from, the shot came from about 2 feet behind the face-off dot and maybe 4 feet inwards even being generous with the release point. The faceoff circle itself has a radius of 15 feet, so you're looking at closer to being 20 feet out from the goalie, who was at the top of the crease so 4-6 feet out from the goal line.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

That's a save he needs to make. It was certainly a bad change that created the chance, but there was no lateral movement of the puck, there was no screen, it's a save you need to make, and it went through him.

As for 7 feet out, no idea where you get that number from, the shot came from about 2 feet behind the face-off dot and maybe 4 feet inwards even being generous with the release point. The faceoff circle itself has a radius of 15 feet, so you're looking at closer to being 20 feet out from the goalie, who was at the top of the crease so 4-6 feet out from the goal line.

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I've tried to watch that about 10 times over. Are we sure Zub's stick didn't make contact and change direction?

 

[Micklebot]

I've tried to watch that about 10 times over. Are we sure Zub's stick didn't make contact and change direction?

I suppose that's a possibility, not sure it justifies the goal since it's a positional save where there shouldn't be anywhere for the puck to go, but I guess that's an explanation

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I suppose that's a possibility, not sure it justifies the goal since it's a positional save where there shouldn't be anywhere for the puck to go, but I guess that's an explanation

More a potential observation that may have been an additional factor, but fair it probably shouldn't make it through either way.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That's a save he needs to make. It was certainly a bad change that created the chance, but there was no lateral movement of the puck, there was no screen, it's a save you need to make, and it went through him.

As for 7 feet out, no idea where you get that number from, the shot came from about 2 feet behind the face-off dot and maybe 4 feet inwards even being generous with the release point. The faceoff circle itself has a radius of 15 feet, so you're looking at closer to being 20 feet out from the goalie, who was at the top of the crease so 4-6 feet out from the goal line.

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i was just going off memory lol.


but i mean look at that frame, we have two vegas players double teaming one senators player. and yea not 7 feet out but still a dangerous location especially from a one time.

 

[Micklebot]

i was just going off memory lol.


but i mean look at that frame, we have two vegas players double teaming one senators player. and yea not 7 feet out but still a dangerous location especially from a one time.

The one timer element isn't really a factor here, one timers are problematic because the goalie is typically moving side to side when making the save, that isn't the case here, it's just opening up the shooter and getting Zub out of the equation.

It was a bad goal no matter how you slice it, I thought he overall had a strong game, but that goal was on him.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The one timer element isn't really a factor here, one timers are problematic because the goalie is typically moving side to side when making the save, that isn't the case here, it's just opening up the shooter and getting Zub out of the equation.

It was a bad goal no matter how you slice it, I thought he overall had a strong game, but that goal was on him.

it's a change of angle so Linus still had to adjust, probably why the puck found a hole to squeak through.

a one time shot like that is a lot more difficult to track than a simple wrister even if it isn't a cross ice play.

but yea LInus should have made the save especially for a 8 mill goalie, but he was also the last thing wrong with the team last game, and it was poor defense on that too.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It just felt like the team was chasing the game and playing with fire. Down by a goal and unable to break through, it's usually only a matter of time before the other team scores again and mostly takes you out of the game. Same thing when they made it 3-2. Close, but still chasing the game and not able to make it over the hump. Falling short, again. Would I like the 2nd goal back? Yes. Did I have much faith the Knights wouldn't still score the 2nd one before the Sens tied it or immediately go back up by 1 if the Sens had tied it? No, not really.

 

[Micklebot]

it's a change of angle so Linus still had to adjust, probably why the puck found a hole to squeak through.

a one time shot like that is a lot more difficult to track than a simple wrister even if it isn't a cross ice play.

but yea LInus should have made the save especially for a 8 mill goalie, but he was also the last thing wrong with the team last game, and it was poor defense on that too.

Any change in angle on that play was so minimal it could have been done by a shooter just pulling the puck in tighter to themselves, and the play developed in such a way that it was pretty obvious what was happening, Ullmark was in good position for the shot, and didn't have to change his positioning at all, he was square to the shooter the whole time. You are reaching big time here. The drop pass doesn't make that substantially tougher.

 

[ColinM]

Its easy to crap on Ullmark, but I'm curious about why our goaltending problems are so structural. We have been through 17 unique goalies since 2017. Why would we get lucky with number 18.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Its easy to crap on Ullmark, but I'm curious about why our goaltending problems are so structural. We have been through 17 unique goalies since 2017. Why would we get lucky with number 18.

Almost none of those "17" had much for NHL resumes though. Certainly not starter caliber. Assumption was this one might work out because he actually was good elsewhere.

 

[Dionysus]

Almost none of those "17" had much for NHL resumes though. Certainly not starter caliber. Assumption was this one might work out because he actually was good elsewhere.

Pretty much every goalie that has come through this iteration of the Sens has better numbers before and after.

Have a feeling parts of this groups game are not conducive to goalies playing well. Maybe it is the panicky and emotional nature of the group. When things aren't going their way they try to make every play the difference maker, leading to disjointed play, and costly breakdowns.

Always want your goalie to steal games, but over large sample sizes, goalies seem to struggle playing behind this team.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Pretty much every goalie that has come through this iteration of the Sens has better numbers before and after.

Have a feeling parts of this groups game are not conducive to goalies playing well. Maybe it is the panicky and emotional nature of the group. When things aren't going their way they try to make every play the difference maker, leading to disjointed play, and costly breakdowns.

Always want your goalie to steal games, but over large sample sizes, goalies seem to struggle playing behind this team.

Some of them did, but none were ever starter caliber in their careers other than Murray and Ullmark. Murray had a terrible year just prior and lots of injury issues that carried forward. Talbot I was more optimistic on, but guys like Korpisalo clearly also had a ton of struggles before the Senators and was outperformed by the other goalies on those teams basically every year. Guys like Nilsson, Forsberg, Hogberg, Anderson post 2017, and others that are escaping me atm were never going to be quality starters, especially on a rebuilding team.