Proposal: Lindholm to Canucks for Hunter Brustewicz +

[Double Dion]

Flames would have to retain on Lindholm then and or the Canucks need to make a separate move to fit Lindholm in.

Flipped, Kuzmenko easily gets you back a 2nd round pick... for instance theres a rumor circulating that the Sabres have an offer for Kuzmenko which is Greenway 2nd and 3rd.


Brustewicz and 1st is definitely the main core of the trade though

Then flip him. I have no interest.

I'd do that with retention

It's a fair offer. One I might take depending on what teams like the Jets and Avs offer.

 

[blankall]

I know it's a trade discussion board for hockey fans, but I'm always amused when an OP creates a turd polishing thread in an attempt to convince random fans of another team that they should pull the trigger.

Like, OK, you convinced me that Kuzmenko didn't sign a big contract this off-season and then regress severely. Let me call Craig Conroy and tell him to look at this sell job on HFBoards, after which he'll get this trade done ASAP.

Seriously. If Kuzmenko was such a hot commodity, why aren't the Canucks, a contending team, keeping him. He's a cap dump. The Canucks have to add if he's included in a deal.

 

[Petey O]

Seriously. If Kuzmenko was such a hot commodity, why aren't the Canucks, a contending team, keeping him. He's a cap dump. The Canucks have to add if he's included in a deal.

Because he's a player who doesn't fit into our coaches' system. Simple as. He's a highly talented player with some potentially good years left. He's not a cap dump.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I mean let's not pretend that Kuzmenko is anything other than what he is. You guys should have known 28% shooting isn't sustainable. Everyone said it, only Canucks fans somehow thought it was. This isn't "this year's version" of Kuzmenko. It's what he is. He's still shooting 15.4% which is still high.

Lindholm is playing with 3rd liners. If you don't want him there are plenty of other teams offering comparable/better packages without a cap dump in them.

Kuzmenko is a 30 -30 guy easily in his sleep for the right coach. Toch just isnt that coach for him and Toch's system is very structured. Kuzy is a free flowing player but the fit needs to be right.

IMO opinion he is also still in an adjustment phase. This is only his 2nd season in NA. his first season was spent being coach by Bodreau who pretty has 0 structure and doesnt care if it looks like public skating out there. Kuzy is just learning how to play the right way.

However his skill is undeniable. like i said very easily a 30-30 guy.

 

[blankall]

This years Kuzmenko?

So are we trading for this years Lindholm then?

26 points and a minus 5 player?

Lindholm has a much better long-term resume. He's also playing on a rebuilding team. Lindholm take every tough match up and remains one of the best two way centers in the league. Yes, him not playing at a 90 point pace anymore hurts his value though. The Flames aren't asking for 90 point value.

 

[Double Dion]

Kuzmenko is a 30 -30 guy easily in his sleep for the right coach. Toch just isnt that coach for him and Toch's system is very structured. Kuzy is a free flowing player but the fit needs to be right.

IMO opinion he is also still in an adjustment phase. This is only his 2nd season in NA. his first season was spent being coach by Bodreau who pretty has 0 structure and doesnt care if it looks like public skating out there. Kuzy is just learning how to play the right way.

However his skill is undeniable. like i said very easily a 30-30 guy.

I don't think so. I think he's a 20-25 goal scorer who is a huge liability defensively.

 

[McJedi]

To CGY
Hunter Brustewicz
Kuzmenko
2024 1st round pick

To Van
Lindholm


Canucks then extend Lindholm to a 7.5 x 7 contract

The trade would allow the Canucks to continue to deploy the lotto line and have Lindholm Centre the 2nd line with players like Mikhyaev, Hoglander, Suter etc.. or they can have extreme depth and have forward pairings of Boeser-Miller and Lindholm-Pettersson as their 1-2 lines....


For Calgary.

They get Hunter Brustewicz. 19 yr old top prospect Right Shot Dman. Currently leads the OHL in scoring. Plays in all situation for the Kitchener Rangers. His development has sky-rocketed since being draft by the Canucks. He has 119 pts in his last 108 OHL games.

Flames also get Andrei Kuzmenko who scored 39 goals and 74 points last season. This year he has been in the doghouse as he doesnt quite play the hard- nosed game that Toch is demanding from him. However Kuzy might just be the perfect trigger man to play along-side someone like Huberdeau. Kuzy is also still under contract next year. The Flames can allow him to shine offensively and could be part of the re-tool as he is only 27 yrs old. If not then the Flames can just flip him at this years trade deadline or next years trade deadline. For what its worth, there has been lots of reports that many many teams are interested in Kuzmenko, which would be great for the Flames if they plan on flipping him later....

It's a decent offer.

I think Avs one would look more like this.

2024 1st + Sean Behrens (LHD at Univ of Denver) + Oskar Olausson + 2026 2nd round pick + RyJo for Lindholm

Which deal is better? And there would be other offers too.

Flames will do well when they finally decide to move Lindholm.

 

[Rowlet]

Whether its likely/realistic or not, that certainly explains the enthusiasm behind the idea of acquiring Lindholm. Thanks for clarifying.

It was 20ES points as well, I believe.

 

[Double Dion]

It's a decent offer.

I think Avs one would look more like this.

2024 1st + Sean Behrens (LHD at Univ of Denver) + Oskar Olausson + 2026 2nd round pick + RyJo for Lindholm

Which deal is better? And there would be other offers too.

Flames will do well when they finally decide to move Lindholm.

I'd want Cal Ritchie instead of Olausson. I'd also want to know if we could sign Behrens.

 

[jackjohnson]

The Canucks are trading this year's Kuzmenko who is a 28 year old, 20 goal/40 point scorer signed for this year and next at $5.5 million. He offers nothing to the Flames rebuild, and the owners aren't just going to throw away $7ish million dollars. He also has a full NMC/NTC. He's likely not accepting this trade.

Well if it was last years 40 goal scoring kuzy at 5.5 million, you really think they would trade him for UFA Lindholm???

 

[GOilers88]

I really like Brustewicz. I like the 1st round pick too. I'm not at all interested in Kuzmenko. If you're dumping a bad contract on us I'd like compensation for that. I'd also like another piece for Lindholm. Something like this:

2024 1st round pick
Brustewicz
2025 2nd round pick

I don't think Brustewicz will ever score at a high level, but he could be a 3C for a long time. He has a motor on him and is a good skater. He shoots in like Tanev though, he'll never score in the NHL.

Brustewicz is a defenseman.

 

[McJedi]

I'd want Cal Ritchie instead of Olausson. I'd also want to know if we could sign Behrens.

Very fair point on Behrens.

But if you want Ritchie, the new offer looks like this.

Ritchie + RyJo + 2026 2nd for Lindholm.

Ritchie is at 1.42 PPG in the OHL this season. +14 on a so-so team with most of his production coming 5 vs 5. Cal Ritchie is a great prospect for the Avs. He's got the look of a big 2C at the NHL level.

If Behrens would sign with Calgary, my offer stands. But your query is a very good one. He's a Junior at DU and an American so he may not want to be in Canada. But that may be his best path to playing quickly in the NHL and he probably is interested in being paid to play NHL hockey so... probably can't be too choosy.

 

[Double Dion]

Very fair point on Behrens.

But if you want Ritchie, the new offer looks like this.

Ritchie + RyJo + 2026 2nd for Lindholm.

Ritchie is at 1.42 PPG in the OHL this season. +14 on a so-so team with most of his production coming 5 vs 5. Cal Ritchie is a great prospect for the Avs. He's got the look of a big 2C at the NHL level.

If Behrens would sign with Calgary, my offer stands. But your query is a very good one. He's a Junior at DU and an American so he may not want to be in Canada. But that may be his best path to playing quickly in the NHL and he probably is interested in being paid to play NHL hockey so... probably can't be too choosy.

Yeah that's not even in the ballpark for me. I'd want a 1st, good prospect and either a decent roster player or a 2nd round pick.

Something like Ritchie, 1st, 2nd and Johansen.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I think the fact the Canucks can offer a combo hybrid of a rebuild and retool package makes this a strong package.

It seems that Calgary is not interested in blowing it up. Getting someone like Kuzmenko surely helps that thinking. How many teams can offer a 27 yr old 39 goal scorer?

Add that in with a 1st rnd pick and one of our top prospects in Brustewicz and this is an offer that the Flames would at least entertain.

Lol that isn't what kuzmenko is this year clearly or he'd be ripping it up on the Canucks

 

[McJedi]

Yeah that's not even in the ballpark for me. I'd want a 1st, good prospect and either a decent roster player or a 2nd round pick.

Something like Ritchie, 1st, 2nd and Johansen.

Take out the first and I'd do that deal.

Alternatively, I'd throw something like Sam Malinski + 2024 1st + future 2nd + Oskar Olausson + RyJo for Lindholm.

Malinski isn't something you have on your roster. The PP2 QB and RHD, awesome staking puck mover you don't really have.

Here is Malinski (no that isn't Makar), scoring vs Boston two nights ago. That level of skating, walking the line ability and left to right to left movement while having the head up and shooting doesn't exist on several NHL rosters. And this is an NHL goal. Solo effort. If you can make this play in the NHL, your ceiling as an offensive threat from the back isn't low.

Sam Malinski with a Goal vs. Boston Bruins

Sam Malinski (Colorado Avalanche) with a Goal vs. Boston Bruins, 01/08/2024

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Here is another goal Malinski scored in December. Also a sick goal.

Malinski's first NHL goal | NHL.com

BUF@COL: Malinski tallies the first goal of his career

www.nhl.com

 

[Peter Griffin]

Why are Canucks fans driving so hard to the hoop with Lindholm? They already have Pettersson and Miller.

Pettersson and Miller are money together. Building a 2nd line around Lindholm would make their forward group very formidable.

 

[Double Dion]

Take out the first and I'd do that deal.

Alternatively, I'd throw something like Sam Malinski + 2024 1st + 2nd + RyJo for Lindholm.

Malinski isn't something you have on your roster. The PP2 QB and RHD, awesome staking puck mover you don't really have.

Here is Malinski (not that isn't Makar), scoring vs Boston two nights ago.

Sam Malinski with a Goal vs. Boston Bruins

Sam Malinski (Colorado Avalanche) with a Goal vs. Boston Bruins, 01/08/2024

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I just would want the better prospect AND the 1st honestly. You're competing offers are Brustewicz, 1st and 2nd. McGroarty, 1st and 2nd. The only Avs prospect comparable is Ritchie. I get it if you don't want to do it. The Avs aren't the surefire contender this year that they have been. The West has 7 teams that could all conceivably win.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I really like Brustewicz. I like the 1st round pick too. I'm not at all interested in Kuzmenko. If you're dumping a bad contract on us I'd like compensation for that. I'd also like another piece for Lindholm. Something like this:

2024 1st round pick
Brustewicz
2025 2nd round pick

I don't think Brustewicz will ever score at a high level, but he could be a 3C for a long time. He has a motor on him and is a good skater. He shoots in like Tanev though, he'll never score in the NHL.

I would do this from a Canucks’ POV if they felt they had a chance at re-signing Lindholm.

As for Kuzmenko, word is teams are interested. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sort of market for him that isn’t a negative.

 

[McJedi]

I just would want the better prospect AND the 1st honestly. You're competing offers are Brustewicz, 1st and 2nd. McGroarty, 1st and 2nd. The only Avs prospect comparable is Ritchie. I get it if you don't want to do it. The Avs aren't the surefire contender this year that they have been. The West has 7 teams that could all conceivably win.

All valid points.

I think if the Avs do make a deal with Calgary, Sam Malinski will be a part of the trade. Fills a need for the Flames. Your ownership seems very adverse to rebuilding too.

Ryan Johansen isn't my cup of tea, but he's got 11 goals this season. Lindholm has 8. So I'd assume the Avs are offering RyJo + Malinski + 2024 1st and not sure what else.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Lol that isn't what kuzmenko is this year clearly or he'd be ripping it up on the Canucks

Nobody is arguing that Kuzmenko is the 39 goal scorer he was last year, hes having an adjustment year for sure. He is still pacing for 20 goals this year. If we were trading Kuzmenko with his value last year then we certainly arent adding Brustewicz and a 1st.

Its up to your Pro Scouting team to determine what they think Kuzy is and if he can shine in your system.

Like I mentioned, in the right fit, Kuzy is easily a 30-30 guy.

A rumored team interested in him is the Sabres. I think he would be an excellent offensive dynamo for the Sabres and their system.

Also lets make sure that that this is 2 -sided. If were evaluating Kuzmenko for his value this year then lets do the same for Lindholm and how he is performing this year.

Fair Value imo with the offer of

Brustewicz
1st round
Kuzy.

IF they dont want Kuzy

then offer is

Brustewicz
1st 2024
2nd 2025


Lindholm retained.


I actually would really like a top 6 of:

Mikhayev- Miller- Boeser
Pettersson-Lindholm- Kuzy

 

[hurdemz]

This is a really solid offer for lindholm. I'd be hesitant to offer any more than this. Could be a home run for calgary if kuzy scores like he did last year. IMO it's a good offer by op

 

[Breakers]

Massive overpayment for a guy who is playing like sh(t

 

[Peter Griffin]

He also has a full NMC/NTC. He's likely not accepting this trade.

He has a 12 team no trade list.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I don't think so. I think he's a 20-25 goal scorer who is a huge liability defensively.

Hes pacing around 20 goals right now while being scracthed 4x and having 0 confidence. 20 is too low for him.

Defensive liability?

The knock on him is that he isnt a strong forechecker,not the best board/wall guy and is sometimes too fancy rather than direct when he has the puck.

Defensive liability or being a floater is not an accurate description of Kuzy.

He was top 2 in Canucks Forward last year at Plus/Minus despite being coached by Bodreau who does not care if you back check or not.

He was a +9 when guys like Boeser were -24.

He's an Even player this year.

 

[blankall]

Hes pacing around 20 goals right now while being scracthed 4x and having 0 confidence. 20 is too low for him.

Defensive liability?

The knock on him is that he isnt a strong forechecker,not the best board/wall guy and is sometimes too fancy rather than direct when he has the puck.

Defensive liability or being a floater is not an accurate description of Kuzy.

He was top 2 in Canucks Forward last year at Plus/Minus despite being coached by Bodreau who does not care if you back check or not.

He was a +9 when guys like Boeser were -24.

He's an Even player this year.

+/- doesn't tell the whole story. He's getting 76% offensive zone starts this year. Likely means he's not getting any tough match ups.

Kuzmenko also has 16 career hits in 116 games.

So he doesn't play the boards, forecheck, hit, or play in the defensive zone....but somehow he's an all around great player?

Sorry, this guy isn't going to jive with the Flames system in any way.