Prospect Info: Linden Vey to Canucks for 2nd Round Pick #50; Kings select Defenseman Roland McKeown

A couple problems with your roster:

1) Toffoli is wasted on the 4th line.
2) Until proven otherwise, Richards is nowhere near a second line player anymore
3) Sutter is still coaching the Kings, so you have to include Lewis in the lineup
4) Considering the above, there is no spot for Vey

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Richards ... At the end of the NYR series Sutter was running 70/10/77. Is this a 2nd or 3rd line? Guess that'll depend on how much time they get. I also have faith that Richards will get his **** together. If he moves back up the line up someone needs to move down.

Don't want TT wasted on the 4th line either.... If he does get stuck down there it would be great if there was someone else on that line to pass him the puck. Got to keep in mind that TT was getting sent to the AHL/scratched last year. I'd love for him to get regular shifts on the 2nd line, but am hesitant that will be the case.

I totally missed Lewis. :laugh: Just leave out 2 time cup champ Trevor "2 rings" Lewis.... maybe those rings are weighing his hands down.

Edit: Love the "ring" of that.... Trevor "2 rings" Lewis... steal at 1.5M
 
Some really great quotes from Yannetti on Vey, and McKeown and Lintuniemi, but here are a few that stand out.

We’ve had offers for Linden now for quite some time. ...

Quite frankly, he can’t break into our lineup full time. In two years, he probably can, but that’s not real satisfactory for him and it doesn’t benefit us either.

Full article below, which really is a good read because Yannetti is a GREAT interview.

Blake, Yanetti talk trading Vey and on 2nd round picks
 
Fit Vey in the line up?

Gaborik/Kopitar/Brown
Pearson/Richards/Carter
King/Stoll/Williams
Clifford/Vey/Toffoli

4 solid lines... Of course Vey is not the typical 4th line gritty center and traditionalist won't like Vey slotted on the 4th. I would much rather have someone with the ability to make a pass/play then Colin Fraser who just dumps the puck and tries to hit people despite being one of the smallest guys on the ice. In Fraser's defense it isn't all his fault as he said if he gets too creative he gets benched. That's in the past.

Porky, if he makes it over, could force the same issue where the Kings are forced to play a skill forward at 4c vs. a grinder.... I'll die laughing if DL has amassed too many skilled players and not enough grinders so that it forces Sutter into a line up like this.

Missed Lewis and with Nolan and Andreoff, that'd give us 15 forwards. I don't see Vey beating three players into the line up.
 
McKeown was one of the three players the Kings had targeted for late in the first round, yes.

That makes Kempe amd McKeown 2 of the 3. The Kings mentioned (can't recall if it was Futa, Yannetti or DL) said they saw someone falling a bit and tried to trade up and
get him...so that is the 3rd one. Could have been Dylan Larkin or Tuch. They went 15 and 18.
 
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I liked Vey, but there is just no room and good on the Kings to get a player they liked for him in McKeown.

If he turns into another Moulson or Purcell then so be it, it was a little bit different losing those guys when the team was playing people like Ivanans, Calder, Guilliano and Willsie. The situations really aren't similar.
 
I don't think there's anyone complaining, at least not much anyways. There was no room for him and we got a great pick for him, so, it was a win/win situation.

Of course, there will always be a few MMQ who will remind us that Vey was never given a chance, but most of us know better.
 
I don't think there's anyone complaining, at least not much anyways. There was no room for him and we got a great pick for him, so, it was a win/win situation.

Of course, there will always be a few MMQ who will remind us that Vey was never given a chance, but most of us know better.

If Vey puts up 45 points next season there will be, people always are brilliant in hindsight and there will be comments about how we should have kept him and traded (insert players name here).

I agree with Herby, we traded Vey to play Stoll, Lewis, etc., not Ivanans and Willsie. Great trade, great asset management if the Kings are correct about McKeown. Considering their 2nd round successes in the past, I anticipate they will be.
 
That makes Kempe amd McKeown 2 of the 3. The Kings mentioned (can't recall if it was Futa, Yannetti or DL) said they saw someone falling a bit and tried to trade up and
get him...so that is the 3rd one. Could have been Dylan Larkin or Tuch. They went 15 and 18.

i'd guess the third guy was branden lemieux, claude's son, he fell to 31st,
 
i'd guess the third guy was branden lemieux, claude's son, he fell to 31st,

I am sure that the Kings had Brenden Lemieux highly ranked, but Yannetti said they
tried to trade up for someone that was falling. That was not Kempe, McKeown, or Lemieux. It sounds like it was someone that was falling out of the top ten to the
teens and they were trying to trade up to get him. It was most assuradly someone
that ended up being drafted in the teens or early 20's. I am just guessing on Larkin
or Tuch.
 
I don't think there's anyone complaining, at least not much anyways. There was no room for him and we got a great pick for him, so, it was a win/win situation.

Of course, there will always be a few MMQ who will remind us that Vey was never given a chance, but most of us know better.

This isn't so much the point. For me I don't trust Sutters ability to evaluate skill players over grinders. Last year Sutter had just about the worst offense in the league. This was caused by too many grinders in the line up and the Sutter slow-ass break out. I get the slow break out is designed to take breakaways out of the game and thus lead to fewer chances and tighter games. A common strategy when playing more highly skilled teams. Problem here is that it had to be completely abandoned during the playoffs. Back to the point. All season more skilled guys like Pearson/Toffoli were passed over for grinders, despite one of the leagues worst offenses.

After the Olympics the offense took off because of the addition of Gaborik and Pearson being played moved grinders down the line up. The Kings were now icing 3 lines capable of scoring which puts added pressure on other teams defensive matchups. Kings were scoring at around a 3G/Game pace after the Olympics.

Playoffs start what does Sutter do? Nolan with Carter/Toffoli. Something that hadn't worked all year. Also Sutter went to his slow break out system which the Sharks easily overloaded because there was no threat of counter attack from a stretch pass. The playoffs forced Sutter to adjust his game plan and open it up, which lead to a player like Pearson being more useful then a grinder. Now I'm not saying Pearson is the greatest hockey player ever. He is a rookie and his game can still improve, but what the Kings needed was a fast player that could out run SJ's D and get a clean pass to Carter/Toffoli.

With the new game plan the Kings were using, skill players have much more use then grinders. Now in the future will Sutter stick to a game plan like what he adjusted to in the playoffs? I doubt it. Personally I'm hoping the Kings finish around 15th in scoring this next season. This would be a huge improvement over last years 25th (about) finish. This is where the "where does Vey fit into the line up" comes from. I'd be fine with a 4th line up Clifford/Vey/Toffoli... It is a line that could generate scoring chances, but it is not the typical 4th line. Also I doubt that Sutter would run something like this. With the evolution of NHL hockey moving from physical to more skilled, running 4 lines that can generate chances is something to look at.

About the evolution. Kings won their first cup by playing smash mouth hockey... worked great. Next year SJ/Blues realized you could compete for a cup by physically beating your opponent into the ground.... so the Kings finish off the Blues and SJ and have nothing left in the tank after that. So the answer is to not get caught in a heavy weight slug out, instead using skill so the team isn't crushed by the time the Kings get to the finals.

Now was Vey given a shot? Sure he played a few games. Got a couple nice assists. Clifford and Nolan got goals off those right? Anyways after seeing Toffoli jerked around all season and knowing that Sutter values grinders over skill players (except when he wants to win in the playoffs) I just don't trust Sutters ability to correctly appraise young talented players and get the most out of them. Didn't Toffoli play some games on the 4th line with Colin Fraser, who later admitted that he got benched if he played to creatively?

Am I angry about the Vey trade? Naw I don't really care. I'm more curious about who will be in the 4c spot next year.

To the point about Vey beating Clifford/Nolan/Lewis out of a roster spot. Vey and Lewis are the only ones that can play center. (yes we saw Nolan try this last year) I'd go out on a limb and say Vey is a much better playmaker then Lewis. Doesn't much matter now.

Edit: I'd like to add that when the Kings hit 29th in Goals/Game last year the entire line of Pearson/Vey/Toffoli should have been up and maybe some of the other Monarchs as well.
 
Am I angry about the Vey trade? Naw I don't really care. I'm more curious about who will be in the 4c spot next year.

To the point about Vey beating Clifford/Nolan/Lewis out of a roster spot. Vey and Lewis are the only ones that can play center. (yes we saw Nolan try this last year) I'd go out on a limb and say Vey is a much better playmaker then Lewis. Doesn't much matter now.

Edit: I'd like to add that when the Kings hit 29th in Goals/Game last year the entire line of Pearson/Vey/Toffoli should have been up and maybe some of the other Monarchs as well.

Good post. I think Nick Shore can play 3rd or 4th center and he is ready now.
Though he will almost certainly be in Manch again. I have seen him play a lot
here in Denver at DU and then at last year's preseason game vs the AVS.
I wanted to see how he looked at the pro level and he was the Kings best
player on the ice that night. CNS has stated as well, some good reports, including
"Nick Shore will play in the NHL". He will. He may better be suited to be Stoll's
replacement, but he can play 4th center as well.
 
That makes Kempe amd McKeown 2 of the 3. The Kings mentioned (can't recall if it was Futa, Yannetti or DL) said they saw someone falling a bit and tried to trade up and
get him...so that is the 3rd one. Could have been Dylan Larkin or Tuch. They went 15 and 18.

I don't think either of those guys are one of the three but could be the "trade up target" guy. One of the three would be a guy ranked like 18 and fell to 29, where the Kings realistically might get him.
 
The falling person was probably McCann, Scherbak, or Barbashev.

At the time of the draft I really wanted McKeown and couldn't believe we passed him up in the 1st round when he was right there. Lombardi just has crazy good asset management though, and we ended up taking him in the 2nd, which makes me very happy.
 
Kempe was one. Likely the third one is someone we didn't get so I doubt we'll hear for a long while. Likely the reason McKeown's name leaked out was because LA got him anyway.

Wouldn't call it a "leak" when a team official says it during an interview with several media members involved.
 
How did they fall? 1. Like a diving Canuck or 2. Like a Dustin Brown Derp or 3. Insert name of South American World Cup Soccer Player here.

Yeah those three fell, but not as far as Mckeown did, but a lot of guys did in those rounds this draft everyone had different short list as it was all needs based, not always BPA.

I would of been happy with either taking Mckeown or the Vey deal.

Hopefully, Vey turns out how the Kings organization believed he could.

He has 2nd line potential, with a reunion with his Junior coach it could help play to his advantage.

Either way I think the trade works for both teams, Kings need payers farther away, Vey was blocked and ready to play, and the Canucks need guys ready to break the club and start to develop as NHLers.
 

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