Let's rank all the competitive leagues

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Now we know CHL 15-16 top-8 teams:
4 teams from Liiga
3 teams from SHL
1 team from NLA

Not much different from last season:
4 teams from Liiga
4 teams from SHL
 
1.NHL
2.KHL
3.SHL
4.AHL
5.NLA
6.LIIGA
7.EBEL
8.CZECH
9.DEL
10.ALSVENSKAN
11.SLOVAK
12.VHL
13.KAZAKHSTAN
14.BELARUS
15.NORWAY
16.MOL LIGA (Hun, Slvk, Rom)
17.DENMARK
18.FRANCE
19.EIHL
20.LATVIAN
21.ASIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE
22.SERIE A
23.POLAND

edit: yes the Manchester Storm website is one of the worst!
 
1.NHL
2.KHL
3.SHL
4.AHL
5.NLA
6.LIIGA
7.EBEL
8.CZECH
9.DEL
10.ALSVENSKAN
11.SLOVAK
12.VHL
13.KAZAKHSTAN
14.BELARUS
15.NORWAY
16.MOL LIGA (Hun, Slvk, Rom)
17.DENMARK
18.FRANCE
19.EIHL
20.LATVIAN
21.ASIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE
22.SERIE A
23.POLAND

edit: yes the Manchester Storm website is one of the worst!

EBEL is not better than czech league...
 
Now we know CHL 15-16 top-8 teams:
4 teams from Liiga
3 teams from SHL
1 team from NLA

Not much different from last season:
4 teams from Liiga
4 teams from SHL

Kind of shows how Liiga is undisputably better than NLA if not even the top teams in NLA can match the top Liiga teams (it's already obvious that the bottom NLA teams are worse than the bottom Liiga teams.)
 
1.NHL
2.KHL
3.SHL
4.AHL
5.NLA
6.LIIGA
7.EBEL
8.CZECH
9.DEL
10.ALSVENSKAN
11.SLOVAK
12.VHL
13.KAZAKHSTAN
14.BELARUS
15.NORWAY
16.MOL LIGA (Hun, Slvk, Rom)
17.DENMARK
18.FRANCE
19.EIHL
20.LATVIAN
21.ASIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE
22.SERIE A
23.POLAND

edit: yes the Manchester Storm website is one of the worst!

I don't like AHL on the list. We can not compare AHL and europeans leagues. Different styles of hockey. Star in Europe doesn't mean star in AHL and star in AHL doesn't mean star in Europe.

Liiga and czech league are before NLA. In 16 last teams in Master league were 3 teams from Czechia and 1 team from Switzerland. Czech league has more player quality and swiss league offers more money. Probabbly NLA and CZ are on the same level, but I prefer czech league (czech, slovakian and slovenian players of their national teams). Americans likes NLA only becouse Matthews.
 
LEt's rank arena's where it's fun to watch a game in.

That way we know the nhl doesn't win. Because 29 arena's are completely a waste of time to go watch a game in lol. It's more suffering then actually enjoying watching nhl Hockey in most places from what I've seen. Not much fun. Montreal - the lone exception.



Would love to go here just to see this guy entertain after games haha.
 


Would love to go here just to see this guy entertain after games haha.

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1. NHL
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2. KHL
3. SHL
4. LIIGA
5. AHL
6. NLA
7. Extraliga(CZE)
8. DEL
9. EBEL
10. Allsvenskan
 
1.NHL
2.KHL
3.SHL
4.AHL
5.NLA
6.LIIGA
7.EBEL
8.CZECH
9.DEL
10.ALSVENSKAN
11.SLOVAK
12.VHL
13.KAZAKHSTAN
14.BELARUS
15.NORWAY
16.MOL LIGA (Hun, Slvk, Rom)
17.DENMARK
18.FRANCE
19.EIHL
20.LATVIAN
21.ASIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE
22.SERIE A
23.POLAND

edit: yes the Manchester Storm website is one of the worst!

It is strange that the LIIGA and Czech Extraleague behind NLA! 4 teams from LIIGA in CHL QF. 2 years in row! Czech Extraliga are not weaker than NLA. Despite the NLA has a bigger "Star-factor".
 
SHL is clearly better, Liiga is about the same level as NLA. Watch some games, compare players who have played in both leagues... Not much between them.

If you think CHL results are a perfect index for league ranking, I can't help you..

I watch often games from LIIGA and sometimes NLA.
I think in LIIGA the teams are very well oranized,fast and big figting spirit and talent.
This i can t see in NLA!
 
CHL is an exhibition tournament. Nobody cares about it.
This argument is terrible. Even if completely true, it's not like it's an exhibition tournament for the swiss teams but a life-on-the-line tournament for liiga teams. If both teams play at 50 percent, and one team wins that team is still likely better. When we get to the world cup of hockey which is actually an exhibition tournament, both team Canada and team leftover Europeans will play at 50 percent and we can still expect team Canada to win because if both teams don't max out, one team still has a higher max to detract from and better base skills.
 
Here's something to consider. It's an undeniable fact that any league below the top-two of the NHL and the KHL is considered a "breeder" league, more or less. While there are players who end up playing their entire careers (mostly) in their domestic leagues, it is the aspiration of any player coming out from there to eventually apply for better and tougher leagues.

So, the simple question that goes a long way to determine the quality of play in the leagues below the top-two is... which league produces most quality prospects? Any Euro player's national league is, after all, an important stepping stone in their development.

When comparing Liiga and NLA, both are still predominantly utilizing players who are nationals of their given countries. Liiga's domestic rate is about 85% whereas roughly 75% of all NLA players are Swiss.

Both leagues also employ a decent amount of juniors. As of today in the 2015-16 season, there are 22 draft-age Swiss players (either already drafted or undrafted) in the NLA who have played 10 games or more. In Liiga, the same number is 35. (This disrepancy evens out a bit when you consider that there are 12 teams in the NLA and 15 teams in Liiga.)

What am I trying to say here? Well, simply that one's domestic league is also a powerful development tool. And therefore, if the NLA really was a competitive enviroment holding a candle to Liiga, you would see the NLA churn out prospects on a rate that is, while perhaps not on the same level, still somewhat closer to Liiga. But since Liiga has a huge advantage here, it becomes quite evident that this is not the case.

You can naturally also consider this when you try to figure out where the NLA and the Czech Extraliga stand in relation to each other.
 
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Here's something to consider. It's an undeniable fact that any league below the top-two of the NHL and the KHL is considered a "breeder" league, more or less. While there are players who end up playing their entire careers (mostly) in their domestic leagues, it is the aspiration of any player coming out from there to eventually apply for better and tougher leagues.

So, the simple question that goes a long way to determine the quality of play in the leagues below the top-two is... which league produces most quality prospects? Any Euro player's national league is, after all, an important stepping stone in their development.

When comparing Liiga and NLA, both are still predominantly utilizing players who are nationals of their given countries. Liiga's domestic rate is about 85% whereas roughly 75% of all NLA players are Swiss.

Both leagues also employ a decent amount of juniors. As of today in the 2015-16 season, there are 22 draft-age Swiss players (either already drafted or undrafted) in the NLA who have played 10 games or more. In Liiga, the same number is 35. (This disrepancy evens out a bit when you consider that there are 12 teams in the NLA and 15 teams in Liiga.)

What am I trying to say here? Well, simply that one's domestic league is also a powerful development tool. And therefore, if the NLA really was a competitive enviroment holding a candle to Liiga, you would see the NLA churn out prospects on a rate that is, while perhaps not on the same level, still somewhat closer to Liiga. But since Liiga has a huge advantage here, it becomes quite evident that this is not the case.

You can naturally also consider this when you try to figure out where the NLA and the Czech Extraliga stand in relation to each other.

But whats the point when they are nondrafted? Swiss players generally stay at home, no matter whether it si because they want or they are not that attractive for another leagues like KHL. Considering how many finnish players play abroad, the results and quality of finnish teams, I would say the ranking is pretty clear...
 
But whats the point when they are nondrafted? Swiss players generally stay at home, no matter whether it si because they want or they are not that attractive for another leagues like KHL. Considering how many finnish players play abroad, the results and quality of finnish teams, I would say the ranking is pretty clear...
The point is to present comparable numbers. If there was notably less Swiss juniors overall in NLA than there are Finnish ones in Liiga, one could argue that that the NLA simply has better adults, leaving little room for kids. One just can't say Liiga is better because it produces better kids if their numbers don't match. That'd be like comparing two different schools of math.

But since both leagues seem to employ junior age players in roughly equal measure, there is grounds for comparing both leagues' values as development tools. And given how many more top Finnish prospects there are coming out of Liiga as compared to the Swiss prospects marinating in the NLA, it can be concluded that Liiga offers higher level of competition overall.

And, in the name of intellectual honesty, the argument of players leaving for better leagues could be twisted both ways. It could also be a sign that the NLA offers high enough level of competition to not make players crave for greener pastures, while everybody wants out of Liiga because Liiga is crap. (More likely reason for this, of course, is that the NLA can offer better pay, at least to its star players.)
 
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Last year all teams in CHL finals were Sweden / Finland, with sweden having more. Now 7/8 teams are from those countries, Finland has one more team than Sweden.

According to CHL and its earlier version results, SEL/FEL seem to be on top in Europe. But KHL is out of that equtation now.
 
The point is to present comparable numbers. If there was notably less Swiss juniors overall in NLA than there are Finnish ones in Liiga, one could argue that that the NLA simply has better adults, leaving little room for kids. One just can't say Liiga is better because it produces better kids if their numbers don't match. That'd be like comparing two different schools of math.

But since both leagues seem to employ junior age players in roughly equal measure, there is grounds for comparing both leagues' values as development tools. And given how many more top Finnish prospects there are coming out of Liiga as compared to the Swiss prospects marinating in the NLA, it can be concluded that Liiga offers higher level of competition overall.

And, in the name of intellectual honesty, the argument of players leaving for better leagues could be twisted both ways. It could also be a sign that the NLA offers high enough level of competition to not make players crave for greener pastures, while everybody wants out of Liiga because Liiga is crap. (More likely reason for this, of course, is that the NLA can offer better pay, at least to its star players.)

I completely agree with your conclusion. Still the first aspect (young players) is very debatable measure. It can also prove that you simply dont produce young players or they are leaving soon. These both facts are valid in czech league.

Second aspect - swiss players staying at home. I think it is obvious where is the ceiling of swiss team which is consist mostly of NLA players. It does not mean that NLA is crap. Still they must know that to be more competitive, it would be valuable for them to have players in KHL or SHL. So the question is why they are not there... And I dont think the reason is NLA of itself.

NLA is obviously one of best european leagues. Still the comparison with Liiga does not need to be based on such sofisticated methods IMO. Best liga teams like Oulu seem to me step ahead from NLA teams....
 
NLA is obviously one of best european leagues. Still the comparison with Liiga does not need to be based on such sofisticated methods IMO. Best liga teams like Oulu seem to me step ahead from NLA teams....
Yeah, I agree. It is a bit convoluted. On the other hand, it's also more difficult to disagree with.
 
1. NHL
2. KHL
3. AHL
4. SHL
5. Liiga
6. NLA
7. Extraliga
8. DEL
9. Allsvenskan
10. Ebel
 

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