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So why did Stamkos sign for 8.5 after fielding offers of 10 on the open market.
Vasilevsky takes 9.5 after Price gets 10.5.
Pretty sure Kucherov settled for 9.5 after the Matthews and McDavid contracts.
Point took 9.5 after Marner’s 10.9 with less term.
Hedman has a 7.875 cap hit.
"after tax" is not so simple and one size fits all. Every player's personal tax situation is going to be unique depending on their life circumstances. There is a reason accountants get paid to file tax returns.
Regardless, until the tax code is written on a napkin, it will remain very complicated and something like this is not very feasible.Is that reason because accountants and tax prep firms spend tens of millions of dollars per year on lobbying to ensure that taxes stay purposefully complicated, therefore allowing the accountants and tax prep firms to continue to get paid to file tax returns? Because the government seems to know how much we all earn and could probably send out an itemized bill, assuming they actually wanted to.
Those players willingly chose to take a bit less so that the team could have additional cap space to remain competitive. It's not their fault the Leafs guys didn't, when I bet a Stanley Cup winning Leafs team would get way better endorsement opportunities in the NHL's largest hockey market than the guys on a Stanley Cup winning Tampa team. Captain Pajamas set the tone at Toronto (oh wait, didn't Leaf fans insist he actually took a discount?) and their key pieces all decided to take Dubas to the cleaners to get the most money they could, which is their right as free individuals. Blaming it on local income tax is so weak, lol.So why did Stamkos sign for 8.5 after fielding offers of 10 on the open market.
Vasilevsky takes 9.5 after Price gets 10.5.
Pretty sure Kucherov settled for 9.5 after the Matthews and McDavid contracts.
Point took 9.5 after Marner’s 10.9 with less term.
Hedman has a 7.875 cap hit.
Don't forget players aren't allowed to sign closer to wherever their hometowns are. No more GTHL boys coming home discounts.Lets even the playing field....
All teams are only allowed to spend X on coaching staffs
All teams are only allowed to spend Y on training staffs
All teams are only allowed to spend Z on facilities
All player endoresements deals are lumped together and split evenly between all players in the league
Players must take whatever contract has the most $ value to them and are not able to consider the quality of the city, weather, etc.
This post is 100% facetious and is pointing out that there are significant differences between one city and the next that have nothing to do with taxes. Players in higher taxes citites, like Toronto, are going to get significantly more endoresement deals than players in Nashville or Miami. Players that enjoy warmer climates may choose LA over Chicago. Players that have families are more likely to choose ____ over ____. Players that are very into culture might chose _____ over ____. Players that enjoy nightlife are likely to choose ____ over ____.
The list is endless, there is never going to be a way to make all teams "equal" unless you put every team in a bubble. Every city has positive and negative aspects that players have to choose between, taxes may or may not be a consideration depending on the player.
And you don’t think no state tax wasn’t part of the reason he was fine with doing that?No it’s not Kucherov said why he took less than market value (to leave money for a teammate).
So your 100% is … a lie.
Maybe he just wanted to stay with the team that drafted him? It’s not like all these good old Canadian boys are fleeing to represent their home teams when they hit UFA.And you don’t think no state tax wasn’t part of the reason he was fine with doing that?
McDavid signed before Kucherov. When Stamkos signed his contract there was a talking period where players could talk to teams in advance of unrestricted free agency. Toronto talked with Stamkos, it was reported that Toronto would need to pay him several million more to make it equal to what he would net in Tampa.Because our players like to win and yours likes to play fortnite.
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, Stamkos couldn't get any offers, he didn't hit UFA. Kucherov signed before Matthews and McDavid, Price is overpaid because Montreal can't afford to lose him and Hedman signed his contract years ago before he became a Norris finalist.
You mean like when toronto went out and spent 50 million on a coach they fired 4 years into his 8 year deal?Ok then. Lets also even up the sponsorship deals players have available to them too. When Austin Matthews gets paid bank for a 30 second TV add by some Canadian company, that money should be split up among the entire NHLPA.
Why do some people think the only difference between markets is the tax rate? The California teams have done a lot more winning than most other American markets over the last 10 - 20 years despite a higher state tax. Canadian markets have the advantage of a lot of players wanting to play in their home market or country. See John Tavares. The salary cap only applies to players; big markets can still completely outspend other markets on facilities, coaches, trainers, scouts, and executives. Are we going to even up this advantage too? If you want to take away the advantage that tax free states have, then you better be ready to take away each and every advantage every other market has too.
By no means is rantanens extension great, but when you look at the cap picture of both teams it's not as bad, the avs could absorb overpaying him to keep him while they have a contention window.The cap isn't about leveling the playing field, it's about suppressing salaries and lowering costs. Besides, a lot of cap stuff is luck. Besides, a lot of teams that seem to be succeeding because of cap management have gotten lucky with timing (Leafs' situation is a lot less grim if the cap kept increasing as usual, but Covid happened). Some guys came up for extensions before major breakouts, some right before big cap bumps, etc. And some guys just take less sometimes to play where they want, particularly for contenders.
It's also worth noting that if you're the Leafs or Habs, they may be higher tax cities, but the bigger thing is probably that there's more media there to ramp up the pressure. The heat around Marner's extension relative to comparable players like Rantanen was just insane. And both Marner and Nylander have notoriously involved fathers when it comes to contract talks.
Only in your head.And you don’t think no state tax wasn’t part of the reason he was fine with doing that?
Believe what you want. Of course these players wanted to stay in Tampa, but did any of these players play hardball with Tampa? All of Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, and Point signed eight year deals and as far as I can remember, only Stamkos even took a look at other offers. Compare that to the messes with Marner and Nylander and Matthews signing an unprecedented five year contract, instead of eight like pretty much every other player of his stature. Marner went after every penny possible and of course Nylander almost went unsigned for the year. Compare them to the Tampa players who were much more valuable and accomplished and it's easy to see the difference in priorities.This is so naive. It blows my mind that people actually think this way, even after players have admitted that tax situations matter.
Canadian teams not only deal with tax, but also the fact that no American and very few Europeans will choose living in Canada over the US. Not much any league can do to sort that out, it's just a reality. Rich people want to live in the US, it's just the way she goes. Unless you are Dusty Buff and love hunting and fishing, Canada doesn't have as much to offer the ultra rich.
Was it reported that it was due specifically to taxes? Maybe he likes TB weather. Maybe he didn't want to play infront of the media circus that is Toronto. Maybe those things were why toronto came with a higher price tag.McDavid signed before Kucherov. When Stamkos signed his contract there was a talking period where players could talk to teams in advance of unrestricted free agency. Toronto talked with Stamkos, it was reported that Toronto would need to pay him several million more to make it equal to what he would net in Tampa.
No need to get defensive about it, respect to Tampa for maximizing what advantages they are given.