GDT: Les Habitants de Montreal @ Les gens dépressifs de la Caroline

[The Stranger]

Kelly: I’m just doing this waitress thing for a while, because I wanted to go to Europe this summer and I could use a few extra ... Careful (she points to the ground, so George will see the fresh horse manure and avoid stepping in it)

George: Oh. It's just horse manure (huh huh - laughs, he points back at the horse that walked by) Horse manure's not that bad. I don't even mind the word “manure.†You know, it's, it's “nure,†which is good. and a “ma†in front of it. MA-NURE. When you consider the other choices, “manure†is actually pretty refreshing.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

bad mal un

 

[bleedgreen]

There is literally no argument to be made that Malone is effective at anything. At best, he's useless. At worst:

-He doesn't score: Leads the league in games played without scoring a single point.
-His linemates don't score: 3 times as many games played as anyone else in the NHL without being on the ice for a goal for.
-He doesn't check (effectively): One of the worst possession players on the team.
-He doesn't suppress shots: One of the highest attempts against per 20 minutes on the team.
-He takes bad penalties: Negative 0.8 penalty differential per 60 (minors), worst on the team.
-He's starting to take more O-zone draws on a team that already has trouble scoring.
-He hits, which is essentially meaningless.
-He's not been good at killing penalties: Averages second fewest PK minutes of anyone who regularly plays on the unit (5 sec more than last place Gerbe, 58 sec avg), and has 2nd most GA/60 to Bellemore.

All of this, and he's going to be making 700k next year. He's far, far from the problem, but he isn't any sort of solution or even a viable stopgap except in the quest for McEichel.

I'm not even reading that. You said the same thing the day he was signed. You don't like him. I get it. You're need to point out his salary repeatedly is comical. He does exactly the job of fourth line grinder.

Possession stats on a fourth line grinder on a crap team. Seriously.

 

[Joe McGrath]

All of this, and he's going to be making 700k next year. He's far, far from the problem, but he isn't any sort of solution or even a viable stopgap except in the quest for McEichel.

700K OH MY GOD!

The Canes are paying Ruutu more than that next year for ****s sake.

 

[What the Faulk]

^^ I doubt you'll read this either, but why does a 4th line have to be comprised of talentless "grinders" who are bad at hockey, anyway?

^ What does Ruutu have to do with how much they're spending on Malone? People threw a ****fit when Justin Peters was signed for less. Wasted money is wasted money.

Kelly: I’m just doing this waitress thing for a while, because I wanted to go to Europe this summer and I could use a few extra ... Careful (she points to the ground, so George will see the fresh horse manure and avoid stepping in it)

George: Oh. It's just horse manure (huh huh - laughs, he points back at the horse that walked by) Horse manure's not that bad. I don't even mind the word “manure.†You know, it's, it's “nure,†which is good. and a “ma†in front of it. MA-NURE. When you consider the other choices, “manure†is actually pretty refreshing.

Semantic satiation has caused that word to lose all meaning to me. Maybe if I...

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Now I'm just thinking of baloney.

 

[Unsustainable]

Standing Malone or Totally Malone should be a screen name.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Just mentioning it since you're wording made 700k sound like a kings ransom for an NHL salary. It's 150k over the veteran minimum. You want to talk about wastes of money, take a look at pretty much anyone making over $4 mil this year.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Malone had a pretty decent season for the Sox in the early '70s. Too bad he drank himself out of baseball.

Wait, who are we talking about again? I have a hard time keeping up.

 

[rocky7]

Francis went into the year with the stated plan to have a good look at the teams prospects, etc., blah, blah, blah... Now I don't follow the Checkers nor pay much attention to the prospects there sans the better ones talked about here.

Is there really no grinder in Charlotte already under contract that Francis could have "plugged" in Malone's spot? So he essentially took the spot of a guy already in the system. Why?

I too think it was a useless pick up but of little consequence in the whole scheme of things.

And I will speculate that it was Peters that pushed for Malone here and Francis just went with it, for reasons.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

 

[What the Faulk]

Just mentioning it since you're wording made 700k sound like a kings ransom for an NHL salary. It's 150k over the veteran minimum. You want to talk about wastes of money, take a look at pretty much anyone making over $4 mil this year.

Oh, trust me, I agree. The team as a whole is putting up shots and (mostly) winning the possession battle, but they're averaging 3 feet of distance more this year than last. That's not a small number. No idea if that's on Peters or the players, but either way, that kinda shows that their low shooting percent might not be a mirage.

 

[bluedevil58*]

Dude. He's killing our cap.

I don't get it at all. He's better at the role than bowman ever was. Some people just hated it from the get go and were gonna hate him no matter what. Petty and sad, but that's this board sometimes. He's an appropriate player for his role and he brings what they wanted of that role. They wanted an actual grinder with some size, willingness and some speed. Malone had the added bonus of being relatively young and untested overall as he never really got a great shot in CO, there was a chance he could score a little.

We were all sick of guys like bowman and Dvorak being miscast in the role, so when the team gets a perfect person to satisfy that need we of course still hate the guy. Boychuk in that role is stupid, and I'm rooting for boychuk. Staal, skinner, semin, Faulk all underwhelming this season and people rag on Malone. I've clearly missed the boat on this issue.

WHy all the hate on Malone. He is one of the few guys on this team that actually knows how to play a physical game. Yes, he does not score but he is not meant to be a scorer. Malone is a grinder and not a 20-30 point/year kind of guy. Why the hate?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

^ exactly. He's helping us win last place.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'm not even reading that. You said the same thing the day he was signed. You don't like him. I get it. You're need to point out his salary repeatedly is comical. He does exactly the job of fourth line grinder.

Possession stats on a fourth line grinder on a crap team. Seriously.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially considering you (again) took an unnecessary and unwarranted shot at Faulk in your last post. Saying he's been underwhelming when he's clearly been the team's best defenseman is comical.

You don't see what everyone else sees in him. We get it.

 

[Quacktastic]

Malone is nothing special by any means, but I don't mind having him on our 4th line for the short term. He's at least an upgrade over our past experiments such as Westgarth, Bowman, etc. He has enough speed to actually hit people and occasionally make a hockey play which is more than can be said about most of our previous 4th liners.

That being said when his contract is up I am perfectly fine with letting him go and bringing in a new player to see if they can provide a little extra spark. Or perhaps sign him 2 way at the league min.

 

[rocky7]

Having a guy on the team like Malone who....is a character guy, zips around and hits ineffectively, oogles at an opposing player from time to time, drops the gloves (once), etc. does nothing to help the team. This guys name just happens to be Brad Malone. Waste of a roster spot.

 

[bleedgreen]

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially considering you (again) took an unnecessary and unwarranted shot at Faulk in your last post. Saying he's been underwhelming when he's clearly been the team's best defenseman is comical.

You don't see what everyone else sees in him. We get it.

? I like Faulk.

 

[Joe McGrath]

? I like Faulk.

Any criticism of a player means you don't like them obviously.

Saying Faulk has been underwhelming isn't a ridiculous opinion. Take a look at the qualitative +/- thread and you could easily come to that conclusion. And hes still been the team's best defenseman.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There is literally no argument to be made that Malone is effective at anything. At best, he's useless. At worst:

-He doesn't score: Leads the league in games played without scoring a single point.
-His linemates don't score: 3 times as many games played as anyone else in the NHL without being on the ice for a goal for.
-He doesn't check (effectively): One of the worst possession players on the team.
-He doesn't suppress shots: One of the highest attempts against per 20 minutes on the team.
-He takes bad penalties: Negative 0.8 penalty differential per 60 (minors), worst on the team.
-He's starting to take more O-zone draws on a team that already has trouble scoring.
-He hits, which is essentially meaningless.
-He's not been good at killing penalties: Averages second fewest PK minutes of anyone who regularly plays on the unit (5 sec more than last place Gerbe, 58 sec avg), and has 2nd most GA/60 to Bellemore.

All of this, and he's going to be making 700k next year. He's far, far from the problem, but he isn't any sort of solution or even a viable stopgap except in the quest for McEichel.

Well there you have it, right?

What is the point of trying to replace Malone right now? Do we have a better veteran 4th liner waiting in the wings to take his place? Someone who wouldn't benefit from better ice time and experience at the AHL level?

Unless we have a guy who makes more sense in that slot, it's just as well to have Malone there. The quest for McEichel is the biggest thing we have going for us right now.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Well there you have it, right?

What is the point of trying to replace Malone right now? Do we have a better veteran 4th liner waiting in the wings to take his place? Someone who wouldn't benefit from better ice time and experience at the AHL level?

Unless we have a guy who makes more sense in that slot, it's just as well to have Malone there. The quest for McEichel is the biggest thing we have going for us right now.

 

[bluedevil58*]

Any criticism of a player means you don't like them obviously.

Saying Faulk has been underwhelming isn't a ridiculous opinion. Take a look at the qualitative +/- thread and you could easily come to that conclusion. And hes still been the team's best defenseman.

I agree. Also if people dislike Obama. They are clearly racist bigots.

 

[nobuddy]

He's better at the role than bowman ever was

One of the more ridiculous things I've ever read on this board

Bowman was a below average 4th liner.

Malone is literally the worst 4th liner in the league.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Any criticism of a player means you don't like them obviously.

Saying Faulk has been underwhelming isn't a ridiculous opinion. Take a look at the qualitative +/- thread and you could easily come to that conclusion. And hes still been the team's best defenseman.

If it was the first time, I wouldn't have mentioned anything. But bleed's been pretty consistent with his opinion of Faulk.

Unless I'm mistaken, Bleed, were you not the one arguing McBain over Faulk for the longest time? I'm not saying it's been a constant barrage (as I've done against Eric in the past), but you've underrated him enough times that it's been noticeable. To me, at least.

 

[bluedevil58*]

One of the more ridiculous things I've ever read on this board

Bowman was a below average 4th liner.

Malone is literally the worst 4th liner in the league.

What about that dude who was on the team 2-3 years ago that all he did was deliver crushing big time hits but didn't do anything else. What was that guys name?

 

[tomdundo]

What about that dude who was on the team 2-3 years ago that all he did was deliver crushing big time hits but didn't do anything else. What was that guys name?

Tim Wallace?