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Leon Draisaitl is not having a good season, he's having a great season
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well no kidding
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BertMcDrai
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Leon got his 900th NHL point at the same moment he was leading the league in points, ES points ,goals and GWG while being 7th in +/-.
What a great season.
Then looking at NHL.com , it's like nobody cares, just here is a link to Matthews new suitcase
(That's nothing against Matthews, just kidding over the media) or Rangers look to have fun again (you are getting more media attention when you are a rotten team and trading away the one who speaks it out loud somehow)...like how can you even write something like that? "Fun again" after running a young hockey player out of town...the world is just as rotten as the Rangers.
What a great season.
Then looking at NHL.com , it's like nobody cares, just here is a link to Matthews new suitcase
(That's nothing against Matthews, just kidding over the media) or Rangers look to have fun again (you are getting more media attention when you are a rotten team and trading away the one who speaks it out loud somehow)...like how can you even write something like that? "Fun again" after running a young hockey player out of town...the world is just as rotten as the Rangers.
Draisaitl's most common linemate at ES in the regular season
18/19 - McDavid, Chaisson
19/20 - McDavid, Kassion, RNH
20/21 - Yamamoto. McDavid (45% SF% w/o McDavid, 55% with McDavid)
21/22 - Yamamoto, RNH, McDavid (45% SF% w/o McDavid, 56% with McDavid)
22/23 - Hyman, McDavid (50% SF% w/o McDavid, 58% with McDavid)
23/24 - McDavid, Hyman, (55% SF% w/o McDavid, 58% with McDavid)
McDavid is easily his most common linemate at ES, and he has had significant time with the other good Oiler forwards such as RNH and Hyman.
Draisaitl's Most common linemate at ES in the playoffs
2021 - McDavid
2022 - McDavid, Hyman (36% SF% w/o McDavid, 49% with McDavid)
2023 - McDavid, Kane (53% SF% w/o McDavid, 54% with McDavid)
2024 - McDavid, Kane, Hyman (43% SF% w/o McDavid, 66% with McDavid)
McDavid is easily his most common linemate at ES, and he has had significant time with the other good Oiler forwards such as Hyman and Kane.
ES scoring in the playoffs
2022 - 22 ES points, 15 point shares with McDavid and Plus 14 w/McDavid,
7 ES points with others and a Minus 6 w/o McDavid
Draisaitl was clearly not effective at ES without McDavid
2023 - 10 ES points, 3 point shares with McDavid and Plus 4 w/McDavid,
7 ES points with others and a Minus 3 w/o McDavid
Draisaitl was again not as effective at ES without McDavid
2024 - 16 ES points, 4 point shares with McDavid and Plus 3 w/McDavid,
12 ES points with others and a Minus 1 w/o McDavid
A bit better but still Draisaitl did not contribute positively at ES with decent linemates and easier matchups
You can easily argue that Draisaitl has never been able to carry a line consistently and/or positively in any regular season or playoffs yet.
18/19 - McDavid, Chaisson
19/20 - McDavid, Kassion, RNH
20/21 - Yamamoto. McDavid (45% SF% w/o McDavid, 55% with McDavid)
21/22 - Yamamoto, RNH, McDavid (45% SF% w/o McDavid, 56% with McDavid)
22/23 - Hyman, McDavid (50% SF% w/o McDavid, 58% with McDavid)
23/24 - McDavid, Hyman, (55% SF% w/o McDavid, 58% with McDavid)
McDavid is easily his most common linemate at ES, and he has had significant time with the other good Oiler forwards such as RNH and Hyman.
Draisaitl's Most common linemate at ES in the playoffs
2021 - McDavid
2022 - McDavid, Hyman (36% SF% w/o McDavid, 49% with McDavid)
2023 - McDavid, Kane (53% SF% w/o McDavid, 54% with McDavid)
2024 - McDavid, Kane, Hyman (43% SF% w/o McDavid, 66% with McDavid)
McDavid is easily his most common linemate at ES, and he has had significant time with the other good Oiler forwards such as Hyman and Kane.
ES scoring in the playoffs
2022 - 22 ES points, 15 point shares with McDavid and Plus 14 w/McDavid,
7 ES points with others and a Minus 6 w/o McDavid
Draisaitl was clearly not effective at ES without McDavid
2023 - 10 ES points, 3 point shares with McDavid and Plus 4 w/McDavid,
7 ES points with others and a Minus 3 w/o McDavid
Draisaitl was again not as effective at ES without McDavid
2024 - 16 ES points, 4 point shares with McDavid and Plus 3 w/McDavid,
12 ES points with others and a Minus 1 w/o McDavid
A bit better but still Draisaitl did not contribute positively at ES with decent linemates and easier matchups
You can easily argue that Draisaitl has never been able to carry a line consistently and/or positively in any regular season or playoffs yet.
Duke74
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That’s a whole lotta cope.
Theodore450
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Dude is in straight denial
I hope chatGPT wrote this for you.
Because if you actually spent the time to write this, I legitimately feel sorry for you and am now imagining what your life might look like.
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you can interpret this post as: "I believe that Draisaitl is a threat to Crosby's legacy" and leave it at that.
Holy shit, 14 goals per hour??? HAHAHAAH
BertMcDrai
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What a cherry picking bull****...show me one superstar who isn't as effective when not playing with another superstar.
All this stating is completely useless...and when you then realize which players Drai has when not playing with McD it's unbelievable how good he actually is.
Last 4 or 5 years with McD out (injured) he is close to 2 ppg...give him decent wingers and one puck moving D and he would have 100pts every season.
I remember stretches over the last seasons when McD (undisputed best in this era) wasn't going, they put Drai on his line to get him going, not otherwise... especially in the last two years.
Then you are adding the playoffs, when they putted Drai back on the McD line (Drai has just broken some of Gretzkys Playoffs records, yes I said Gretzky) after he suffered a high ankle sprain...same story last year he was put on McD line after he broke his rips and his finger.
It's a word called context...as you are only stating SF%, I bet without watching that the GF% aren't fitting your agenda.
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BertMcDrai
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Drai without McD this year 5v5: 59,26% GF
McD without Drai this year 5v5: 45,71% GF
He is vastly outperforming the best player of this generation this year.
Now including last year:
Drai without McD 5v5: 57,14 GF%
McD without Drai 5v5: 55,28 GF%
@daver what are you talking about?
He has outperformed McD over the last two seasons (this season and last included) and all this with almost 60 GF% while McD at 50 GF% and this with Podkolzin/Kapanen and Brown this season and a others in this category last season...this stats are screaming MVP.
Are you Donald T. and creating your own happiness and fake news??
I could go on, but I have a life outside of HF but it would be fun to show more people how wrong you are.
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benfranklin
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Seems pretty on par for him. Shocker, you put him with McDavid and they both score more. Its the same old story for the Oilers as we've seen for nearly a decade now.
The two together and/or on the PP is money. Beyond that it is not much depth, not much D, not much G. They got a great PK, D, and G and went to game 7. I personally think that was an anomaly and that was their one big chance with a below average constructed team.
He has been on the ice for 57 goals for. Of the 57 goals for, 39 have had McDavid on the ice. 68.4%!!!!
This narrative of Draisiaitl doing it with scrub wingers is fake news. Like it always has been, it is largely dependent on McDavid in some fashion. Im not discounting Draisaitil doing his fair share of work and finishing, but c'mon, Its the McDavid factor.
The two together and/or on the PP is money. Beyond that it is not much depth, not much D, not much G. They got a great PK, D, and G and went to game 7. I personally think that was an anomaly and that was their one big chance with a below average constructed team.
He has been on the ice for 57 goals for. Of the 57 goals for, 39 have had McDavid on the ice. 68.4%!!!!
This narrative of Draisiaitl doing it with scrub wingers is fake news. Like it always has been, it is largely dependent on McDavid in some fashion. Im not discounting Draisaitil doing his fair share of work and finishing, but c'mon, Its the McDavid factor.
BertMcDrai
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Check my post before...he is doing great without McD on the ice the last two years...and from the 68% is half on the PP...you will find no Player in History who had no good players with hin on the PP...look at every high end player, you will find zero with no great player in their PP.
What a useless answer...I swear if you look MacKinnon without Makar it's the same...you can do this with every player in this league without maybe one expectation this year in Kaprizov and he has done it for only a third if a season.
I have checked Makar and MacKinnon last two seasons (All strength like you):
MacKinnon/Makar: on ice for 57,3%
Drai/McD: on ice for 57,4%
Now it's official if Drai is a product of McD then MacKinnon is a product of Makar.
Thanks for helping me to show everybody that their narrative isn't good or fair at all.
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Torontonian
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Kinda seems like you are...
This whole thread is absolutely filled with verifiable evidence that what you're saying is incorrect and you're choosing to ignore it all based on what you "think"
the great thing about the truth is, is it doesn't give a shit what you "think"
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Or is it the Draisatl factor? They need each other, and to say Draisaitl needs him more is just a narrative people who don't watch every game use as a way to discredit him.
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MacKinnon/Makar is an apples to oranges situation. Go look at prime Crosby/Malkin or MacKinnon/Mittlestadt if you really want to attack MacKinnon. The whole point is two centers driving their own lines each contributing to team depth.
Obviously I agree with you about PP, but its is not half. As of typing this, it is 92:38 with McDavid/Draisaitl together on the PP. It is 299:11 total together on the ice. So roughly 30% of their total ice time together is PP time. But 68% of Draisaitls points come with McDavid.
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benfranklin
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The whole thread is blowing Draisaitl for doing the same thing he does every year....with McDavid. If the timestamps and 5v5 (without McDavid) was overwhelmingly point producing for him, then great, Im all for it, but its not.
Here are numbers including those he may be on the ice and not be part of the scoring. PP is its own animal which I will not overly credit or discredit him for until it either thrives or fails with McDavid injured.
42 ES Goals for with Leon on the Ice
37 ES Points for Leon so only 5 he was on the ice for an didnt register in the scoring
25 ES Goals for with Leon and Connor on the ice - 60%
17 ES Goals for with Leon without Connor on the ice - 40%
That isnt dominating on his own or having a "great" season. He's having the same season he always does and a large % of his points come with/from/to Connor.
The reason this argument doesn't go away is because they're both centers who should drive their own lines, yet coaching since the beginning of their careers is quick to throw them together anytime the team cant do anything. Its more a fault of poor team construction than either of them, but using Crosby/Malkin as the first super high end center duo that comes to mind, they drove their own lines and then PP'd together. This isnt the case in EDM.
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Your touting that as if it's a negative, and it's actually 18 not 17 which puts him one behind Kaprizov (who everyone is saying is the Hart favorite) for the league lead, while playing with Podkolzin and Kapanen.
you just proved the point you were trying to dismiss. Thanks for that.
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Really?! Youre going to argue Draisaitl is more valuable to his team than Kaprisov?! Draisaitl/McDavid is like the same point totals if Kaprisov/Kucherov were together or whatever random combination you want to give KK.
Its not even in the same stratosphere what KK is doing in Minnesota right now with nothing. Boldy/Rossi/Zuccarello. Which is McDavid in this Batman/Robin analogy you want to spin?
And ES points are what gets your MVP vote?! MacKinnon/KK/Leon will pass eachother 10x over before the new year there. No one is running away with it. Points are up and the stars put up points. Its that simple.
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Last i checked Boldy/Rossi/Zuccarello are a hell of a lot better linemates than Podkolzin and Kapanen.
You just said that Draisaitl "only" has 17 EV goals (and it's 18 btw) away from McDavid, which you are somehow spewing as a negative, but that puts him one behind the league leader WHO HAS MUCH BETTER LINEMATES than Draisaitl, as McDavid is literally on the bench for those goals.
basically what you're saying is that, from the bench, McDavid's aura is contributing to Draisaitl having 18 EV goals, so it's not in the same stratosphere as KK, and should be discounted because of the McDavidness that surrounds Draisaitl at all times.
and you say i'm the one with the narrative....
benfranklin
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Its 17 ES goals for the Oilers team with Leon on the ice and no Connor on the ice. Were both reading that differently.
Youre completely discounting that majority of ES time Draisaitl has had, has been with Hyman/McDavid.
I think everyone will agree here. You can put 2 superstars together with one bum and 99% of the time that is better than 1 superstar and two average players.
Draisaitl/McDavid/Traffic cone
Boldy/Kaprisov/Zuccarello
Drouin/MacKinnon/Colton
Kucherov/Cirelli/Hagel
Barbashev/Eichel/Roy
Barkov/Rodrigues/Samoskevich
Were all picking McDavid/Drais
Honestly, make the thread title McDavid/Drasaitl are killing it and cool, run with it. When its Draisaitl only, the obvious question is what is he doing without McDavid and the answer is the same as its been for a decade. Hes still a superstar on his own, but pretending this season is an anomaly for him is purely inaccurate.
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CanadasTeam99
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Selke like year. 1 or 0 EN points as well. Other top guys have up to 9/10 around him
If he played for Toronto, they would be sniffing his jock every 2nd day talking about a Selke
If he played for Toronto, they would be sniffing his jock every 2nd day talking about a Selke
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