Because his body language is noteworthy and it’s a real thing. And his fitness level looks like it hasn’t gotten much better at all. None of it is imo unfair criticism. Go ahead and ignore if you’d like.
Player Discussion Leo Carlsson
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I’ll try (most likely unsuccessfully), because those things aren’t actually real. It’s just guys (understandably) being bored by the team and looking for things to discuss in a rather simple situation.
LEEOOOOOOO
Edit: I posted in the wrong thread but this still works.
Edit: I posted in the wrong thread but this still works.
You go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!
Leo has gotten some shit here, some of it he deserves and some of it is not on him and so doesn’t deserve all the blame. I do see an issue with his conditioning where he seems to be gassed at the end of a shift that’s not very long, although looked great on the end of that OT shift to score the goal.
He also needs to build muscle so when he makes those plays with the puck he won’t be knocked off the puck so easily.
Cronin needs to put him in all situations get him playing over 16+ mins or so a game. They need to shape him into a Two-way 1C.
He also needs to build muscle so when he makes those plays with the puck he won’t be knocked off the puck so easily.
Cronin needs to put him in all situations get him playing over 16+ mins or so a game. They need to shape him into a Two-way 1C.
mightyquack
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That was much more like what I was expecting to see from Carlsson. Still needs to learn to use his body more defensively, but he definitely popped more on a shift to shift basis in this one compared to a lot of the games this season where you didn't really notice him.
Hopefully the mid-season break was a good reset and he can have a strong second half.
Hopefully the mid-season break was a good reset and he can have a strong second half.
I'm a huge Leo supporter, but if you haven't noticed the bad body language or the fatigue, you're not watching the games.
I don't know that it's indicative of anything worrisome long-term (particularly the body language), so I'm not ascribing anything meaningful to it other than Leo needs to continue to get stronger. But it's real.
AngelDuck
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He’s looking a lot better last 7-8 games and more engaged overall.
Hopefully he’s learning that when he’s in attack mode, there aren’t many defensemen who can stop him consistently
Hopefully he’s learning that when he’s in attack mode, there aren’t many defensemen who can stop him consistently
After having a rough stretch of 4 points in 15 games, ever since he got back on the score card against Montreal he has 9 points in 8 games. I don’t even feel like he’s even necessarily playing to where he realistically could so it’s good to see despite that he’s still starting to produce well again.
Plus he is still not getting the best support from Cronin. So it’s a really good sign.
100% this, he is completely invisible for long stretches and then all of a sudden you're like "damn, he's got two goals somehow." Once he learns how to be "on" and engaged for a whole game, we've got something special.
Totally agree, last night was a microcosm of that. He was good for sure and had 2 goals but he could’ve been even a lot better
Gripping the stick less and executing quick plays under pressure is still steps in the right direction. I get what you're saying, still even more room to improve but if nothing else, it seems the 4 Nations appearance has helped him get out of the mental funk. At least somewhat.
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Untill Carlson puts time into the gym and builds that body with muscle. He will be mid. He can learn a lot from Kopitar.
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11 points in the last 10 games aint bad.
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I know Leo's kind of already going on his run, but our favorite comparison is still apt:
Leo's first 53 games of his age 19 season: 13 A, 12 A
Barkov's first 53 games at age 19: 10 G, 12 A
Barkov then went on a good run to end the season with 6 goals and 8 assists over his last 18 games. Let's see what Leo does over the rest of the season.
Leo's first 53 games of his age 19 season: 13 A, 12 A
Barkov's first 53 games at age 19: 10 G, 12 A
Barkov then went on a good run to end the season with 6 goals and 8 assists over his last 18 games. Let's see what Leo does over the rest of the season.
AngelDuck
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Some definite hope that he’s turned a corner. Last 11-12 games have been very strong and pretty consistent. He could be so good in 2 years
TheGoodShepard1
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He looks like he got exactly what I wanted him to get out of the 4 Nations tournament: hang out around elite players at top-level game speed, adapt to the pace so that the game slows down, and pick up the little things that those elite players do well and apply it to his own game.
He's gonna be the litmus test for Cronin's theory that offense can blossom naturally, because as others around here have pointed out, his defensive work and board battles have improved dramatically since the start of the year. Feels like when he fully figures out his strength and conditioning programs, dude is going to dominate.
He's gonna be the litmus test for Cronin's theory that offense can blossom naturally, because as others around here have pointed out, his defensive work and board battles have improved dramatically since the start of the year. Feels like when he fully figures out his strength and conditioning programs, dude is going to dominate.
ZegrassyKnoll
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Yeah I said it elsewhere but crazy that it seems like he learned more in one week with Sweden than he has in a year and a half under Cronin.
Hazy/Ahlers put it perfectly last night - before, it would almost look like Leo was trying to pass the puck into the net... He's shooting now.
I know nobody likes Daniel Alfredsson around here but he may have done Leo a lot of good. I’ve long thought it’s kinda too bad the Ducks don’t have a coach or advisor who was a highly skilled forward interacting regularly with our forwards. Kariya would fit the bill but I don’t think he’s involved like that.
Guys like Alfie and Adam Oates are really important to have around.
Guys like Alfie and Adam Oates are really important to have around.
And it's why losing Getzlaf was so crushing. He would be such a great influence for our young centers. It's hard to tell how much of that was our organization under Verbeek not giving Getzlaf what he wanted to stay and how much of it was Getzlaf wanting to move his family somewhere else (they went to Nashville as I recall).
I dont know why Cronin even needs to be mentioned in this. If he figured something(s) out with some of the best players in the world that was holding him back, thats really all that needs to be said.
Cronin and beeker want more well rounded guys, so the focus has been on weaknesses. Hes improved a lot in those areas, similar to Zegras. Then gets the added benefit of going and playing with the best of his countrymen and figured out some of the smaller things that possibly led to allowing his strengths to shine and getting over the hump.
ZegrassyKnoll
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Because well-rounded means being good at multiple things, and Leo's offensive production was not good for the first half of the season.
So it's worth mentioning Cronin because if it's Cronin's job to make him well-rounded, he has failed in that job.
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