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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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CrazyDuck4u said:
You think he's invisible with the ducks? Brah what were you expecting? A 90 point season from a 19 year old?
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I’m expecting him not to be invisible most games like he is. Other high draft picks his age are not nondescript as he is 90% of the time. Like Good Shep said, he has flashes some games but there is no consistency let alone production. I’m not expecting a 90 point player but I’m also not expecting him to be invisible most of the time. I have to make myself look for him pretty much every game.

As HD has said, I’m wondering if another year in Sweden would have been better for his development than what PV and Cronin have put him through.
 
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KelVarnsen said:
I’m expecting him not to be invisible most games like he is. Other high draft picks his age are not nondescript as he is 90% of the time. Like Good Shep said, he has flashes some games but there is no consistency let alone production. I’m not expecting a 90 point player but I’m also not expecting him to be invisible most of the time. I have to make myself look for him pretty much every game.

As HD has said, I’m wondering if another year in Sweden would have been better for his development than what PV and Cronin have put him through.
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Be patient my friend.. He needs to add muscle. Once that happens. He will be more engaged.
 
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CrazyDuck4u said:
Be patient my friend.. He needs to add muscle. Once that happens. He will be more engaged.
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I don’t disagree and in no way am saying words like “bust” or any other synonym. I’m just saying, he is pretty invisible most of the time.

I do think we can criticize his “development” by the organization. If this don’t play all the games thing PV and his brain trust used with Leo and are using with Minty and Zel were so great, other teams would have copied it. It seems to me PV and Cro really think they are the smartest guys in the room and in reality they are not.
 
CrazyDuck4u said:
Leo needs to use his speed and keep his head up. Eichel could have drilled him hard there
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Head above his hands there, and that’s a fairly consistent observation and occurrence I think.

KelVarnsen said:
I don’t disagree and in no way am saying words like “bust” or any other synonym. I’m just saying, he is pretty invisible most of the time.

I do think we can criticize his “development” by. the organization. If this don’t play all the games thing PV and his brain trust used with Leo and are using with Minty and Zel were so great, other teams would have copied it. It seems to me PV and Cro really think they are the smartest guys in the room and in reality they are not.
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While I don’t necessarily disagree, didn’t Verbeek and/or Cronin say his goal was the team was playing meaningful games in March? If that’s the account, that I may be misremembering, they’re not exactly wrong. Yes, we all want to see more progress from Carlsson, and I say that knowing you’re not saying he’s a bust.
 
I thought he looked decent considering the quality of competition, the lack of time to gel with his linemates, and his age/inexperience. Nothing special outside of some nice stick handles, but considering he came to this tournament in a bit of a funk, he could've been much much worse. Should still be a good experience for the kid.
 
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KelVarnsen said:
I don’t disagree and in no way am saying words like “bust” or any other synonym. I’m just saying, he is pretty invisible most of the time.

I do think we can criticize his “development” by the organization. If this don’t play all the games thing PV and his brain trust used with Leo and are using with Minty and Zel were so great, other teams would have copied it. It seems to me PV and Cro really think they are the smartest guys in the room and in reality they are not.
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Cro has no say in anything when it comes to player development.. It was PV telling him to play or sit Carlson's in his rookie year... Truth is Carlson needed to hit the gym more this summer and chose not to. Even Ducks management told him to bulk up more and push his body more. but he was cocky about it. He told the ducks management that he knows his body limits. Didn't want to. Now we see him struggling a times.
 
KelVarnsen said:
I do think we can criticize his “development” by the organization. If this don’t play all the games thing PV and his brain trust used with Leo and are using with Minty and Zel were so great, other teams would have copied it. It seems to me PV and Cro really think they are the smartest guys in the room and in reality they are not.
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The load management idea was insane. Should've just left him in Sweden if that was the case. Not a surprise that no team has copied it lol.
 
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well hopefully leo learned some valuable lessons just from being around guys like hedman, karlsson, nylander, etc
 
Dr Johnny Fever said:
Leo didn’t belong on that team. Maybe in the future, but not today.
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And that’s a good thing. The international hockey braintrust of team Sweden, says….. that’s our future 1C in international play. (At least the plan is for that). Get him much needed experience playing team hockey on an elite level. It’s a sign of faith (whether be desperation or true belief) that he is the future of that team.

Most of Leo’s problems can be attributed to either confidence or strength. Always tougher to gain confidence first, but he has the frame that (if)when it clicks it all should click.

He missed the team goal this year for adding muscle (from what I’ve heard here), I assume there will be a talk about that during the exit interview.
 
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duckpuck said:
90% of Leo issues relate to his lack of strength/muscle. It affects his play and his confidence. If he hits the gym, he's going to be a force.
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I agree with this. And conditioning has been a problem too in addition to muscle.

He seems tired to me at times and it affects his battle level. It’s not that he’s not trying, it’s that other guys are in better shape than he is and are able to go max capacity there entire shift and the entire game. Whereas Leo can only do it in 15 second spurts rigjt now

Bottom line is the next 2 offseasons are really important for Leo’s training
 
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AngelDuck said:
I agree with this. And conditioning has been a problem too in addition to muscle.

He seems tired to me at times and it affects his battle level. It’s not that he’s not trying, it’s that other guys are in better shape than he is and are able to go max capacity there entire shift and the entire game. Whereas Leo can only do it in 15 second spurts right now.

Bottom line is the next 2 offseasons are really important for Leo’s training
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I don't think he's tired, I think it's more just a cycle of frustration and negativity brewing in his head at all times based on his lack of production this year. It clearly affects his attitude and body language on the ice as we've seen many times this season.

There's still a lot of games left this year for him to get some meaningful experience, but he really needs a mentality (and fitness) check which will probably happen in the offseason if it does at all. If he comes into year three as a mopey beanpole and puts up another 35 point season, then concern levels are going to be heightened.
 
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Reveille1984 said:
I don't think he's tired, I think it's more just a cycle of frustration and negativity brewing in his head at all times based on his lack of production this year. It clearly affects his attitude and body language on the ice as we've seen many times this season.

There's still a lot of games left this year for him to get some meaningful experience, but he really needs a mentality (and fitness) check which will probably happen in the offseason if it does at all. If he comes into year three as a mopey beanpole and puts up another 35 point season, then concern levels are going to be heightened.
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He definitely looks tired to me. He is visibly and noticeably worn out at the end of shifts. And he is always one of the first ones to head to the bench for a change. You'll notice Zegras will push it if he things he can get a scoring chance (probably to a fault sometimes), but Leo rarely stays out if he has the option to get off the ice.

It's possible this is a strict instruction from the coaching staff, so it might not be him. But Leo seems like he loses energy much quicker than other guys, and certainly much quicker than a guy who you'd like to be your 1C. Hopefully that's something he can work on this offseason.
 
JAHV said:
He definitely looks tired to me. He is visibly and noticeably worn out at the end of shifts. And he is always one of the first ones to head to the bench for a change. You'll notice Zegras will push it if he things he can get a scoring chance (probably to a fault sometimes), but Leo rarely stays out if he has the option to get off the ice.

It's possible this is a strict instruction from the coaching staff, so it might not be him. But Leo seems like he loses energy much quicker than other guys, and certainly much quicker than a guy who you'd like to be your 1C. Hopefully that's something he can work on this offseason.
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Yeah, could be. Whatever his physical regimen is right now it clearly isn't doing him any favors.

For being 6'3" and 203 pounds the dude sure gets pushed around on the regular, but that could just be more that he puts himself in terrible positions and consistently seems to take big hits.
 
Reveille1984 said:
I don't think he's tired, I think it's more just a cycle of frustration and negativity brewing in his head at all times based on his lack of production this year. It clearly affects his attitude and body language on the ice as we've seen many times this season.

There's still a lot of games left this year for him to get some meaningful experience, but he really needs a mentality (and fitness) check which will probably happen in the offseason if it does at all. If he comes into year three as a mopey beanpole and puts up another 35 point season, then concern levels are going to be heightened.
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I disagree that he isn’t tired at times throughout the game. It seems noticeable and obvious to me a lot of the time. It’s not super uncommon with young players either

Moapy beanpole? Don’t know about that one lol. He’s a kid learning how to compete at the highest level
 
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