Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 6-2
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That series they were clearly da better team .. they were faster and more physical and with no penalty playoff hockey called speed/grit beats skill .. Tampa learned you can't win playoff hockey with skill alone .. so they picked up speed/grit, toughness and bolstered their defense and then they became the better team .. this is exactly what da new GM will do in his/her retool of this team
keonsbitterness
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Wanted or not, Vegas was able to take advantage of other teams who got way too nervous about the expansion draft. That didn't happen with Seattle.
Columbus wasn't just better, you must admit Tampa got swept, they were total crap, my they turned it around fast. People thought Montreal weren't playoff worthy, but not only did they beat the Leafs, they swept the Oilers, 4 straight! Montreal then went on to knockoff Vegas. Why all the turmoil and disaster this year? Why fire the GM and Coach?
Anyway every year the best team doesn't win their series and a lesser team moves on. This in turn taints all the series from that point on, as the best teams aren't playing. Many upsets in the playoffs, we only remember the extremes. Sure the eventual winner is declared the Stanley Cup champs, the best team in that tournament, that is all that means. Run the tournament again I'm pretty sure there would be different results.
Most of what occurred in Habland is injury related .. I always said before last season even started it was da Habs or Leafs .. and I thought it would be Habs because of their D and G .. people thought I was crazy but exactly what I said occurred .. no team in NHL can lose one of top defenders and one of top tenders and compete .. impossible .. and you are right in NHL regular season hockey due to PARITY due to CAP anything is possible on da border teams .. playoffs are all about matchups and da wrong matchup can eliminate a team so you are right about LUCK too ..
Gary Nylund
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A lot of what you say is true but you have to understand, the term "best team" is subjective and nobody cares much about debating who is the "best team". The NHL is all about the Stanley Cup, that's what 99.99% of the players and 99% of the fans care about.
Of course you might get different results if you ran it again, so many playoff series are close and sports are unpredictable in general. But as much as you might not like it, upsets happen and there is a surprise team in finals from time to time but the team that wins it, is often the consensus best team and when there is no consensus then the cup winner is almost always considered to be one of the best teams.
You've made a lot of posts on this subject, you obviously don't like the way things work so what would you change if you could? No more playoffs and just regular season the way they do it in soccer? Or have the playoffs but then a debate after and the debate decides who the best team is?
I sound like broken record but it amazes me that fans can have a good team follow them for 7 months and then completely lose their shit because their good team ran into a 4 game or less bad stretch in the playoffs. I realize it is all about the playoffs for most, it just boggles my mind.
Gary Nylund
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In the case of Leaf fans it's not just a 4 game bad stretch, more like 4 years.
I wouldn't change a thing, the Cup has me hyped as well. Sure I would love for the Leafs to win the Cup but it is it's own thing and you can never convince me the Cup winners were undoubtedly the best team in the league. Naturally the best team does go on to win the Cup eventually sometimes. But not always.
Its more the poo pooing people have for the regular season that bothers me. I do understand the reasoning there as well, the players don't try as hard during the regular season. OK
Yeah it sucks but all the difference really was a lucky , bad goal here or there. As I said many times it surprises me how many folk get totally pissed over one bad pass. All of a sudden its the total team is crap fire trade everyone.
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Racer88
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It’s because so many times we has seen a bad stretch turn into a bad half season and yet one more collapse in the playoffs.
Many fans are gun shy myself included.
It’s the Leafs version of shell shock
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I think the game day threads need to be taken with a grain of salt. We're no longer arm chair GMs in that thread, we're fans just making in the moment hot takes, cheering and venting.
What happens in the GDT stays in the GDT should be the general view of it. Then we put on our Dubie glasses after and go back to being analysts.
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I can understand all this. And I would agree that it's often not true that the cup winner is undoubtedly the best team, undoubtedly being such a big word and all. Most of the time there's a number of really good teams, that's why most years it's so hard to predict who wins the cup.
The team is crap, yeah I've never understood the people who say that either. I will say though that the playoffs is a different type of hockey from the regular season and when people say this team simply not built for playoff hockey, I'm not 100% sure they're wrong. TBH I just don't know one way or the other, I hope they're wrong and we win the cup his year but I just don't know. And if they are right then I hope we do make some changes soon because I want to win the cup, to me arguing how good a team we are just rings so damn hollow when we lose every year in the playoffs.
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Haha the GDT's are anything but serious discussion, that's why I stay away for the most part. I prefer to put my Dubie glasses on and pretend I should be taken seriously because I know what I'm talking about.
keonsbitterness
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There's the physical difference of a two-month grind and also the mental adjustment needed, series by series, and game by game within every series. No advanced stat will ever account for that.
Gary Nylund
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Yeah very well said. It's so hard to put into words, to explain how the playoffs are so different but what you said, that's an excellent start. The first thing I would add is that the refs call the game differently to the extent that you could say that the rules are different, how huge is that? Also the intensity, it just rachets up to a whole new level and that's where the mental adjustment comes in.
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zeke
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not sure losing in the first round has anything to do with a two month grind.
and why wouldn't a team's ability to withstand playoff grind and pressures end up being reflected in the stats?
therealkoho
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GDT's are solely for the flaggalation and decrying of Justin Holl, cmon man we all know that
Seriously. AM does a lot but grunts like Holl, Lilli, Miki, Simmons, Muzzin, Sandin, Kerfoot, Engval etc do not.
The90
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Is this the ‘even Matthews’ who’s had the most blocked shots on the team as a forward for the last several years? That Matthews?
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Imagine the team that was going to miss the playoffs for the fifth time in 7 years if not for Covid, is a lottery team because of a few injuries. Colour me shocked. They rode a hot goaltender. That’s it. Happens every few years in nhl playoffs.
But thats my point, Leafs won, (they weren't overall that great to me) but because they won, no one is saying anything. But when the Leafs lose, everyone is overreacting and saying how bad they are, the defence sucks etc.
