Look fine with me. Seeing Reavo at the top makes sense. That's why i love fancy stats and put a lot of stock into them.
Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 5-3 against the Stars
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They're doing a lot better than I thought they would.
Which is also a lot better than they were doing last year at this point. They're clearly gonna make the playoffs again. Who they face, and what happens when they get there, is all that's left to he answered now.
I don't care where they end up in the standings if they can't win anything in the playoffs.
DarkKnight
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Interesting that nobody on third line there, literally ever one represented but the best. Weird.
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CabanaBoy5
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This is hilarious. Reaves on top of an offensive stat? Either the stat is useless, the eyetest is useless, it's an aberration, or Reaves is a star and we all don't know it. If this is true, I vote the stat is useless.
GoonieFace
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Advanced stats for hockey are sketchy at best. This is just clear proof of that.
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Considering his two linemates were at the very bottom of the list I'd say there was something weird going on with how these stats were being calculated.
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Or it's one game, and we don't read too much into it.
Reaves was on ice for 9 shots attempts for, and 7 shot attempts against. If you are on ice, for more net shot attempts for, than anyone else, you kind of would expect your xGoals % to be higher than anyone else... that's just reality... what xGoals% doesn't take into consideration, is the quality of the player taking those shots. (5v5)
This doesn't make him a star, or even a good hockey player... it just means, last night, while he was on the ice, we directed more pucks on the opposition goalie, than were directed at ours... and the expectation, is we are more likely to score more goals than the opposition, when we do so.
This doesn't mean that stats are useless, it just means people don't understand them, or use them in the proper context.
No... it means you made assumptions that aren't based on anything at all. Look at the actual stats, it makes sense. Noting... he didn't play exclusively with Lorentz and Kampf.
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McCabe used to have a bit of a reputation for making some low IQ brain fart plays in Buffalo but he’s just been dialled in as a Leaf. So good and brings that alpha control tower aspect to the blueline. The ice mic picked up McCabe behind the net telling Domi or someone to “stay there” on the half wall before confidently skating up himself. Beast.
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Yep YouTube will have them on the main NHL channel.
Here's last night with the Stars crew. It's always either the local home team broadcast or national (ESPN, Prime)
xGF% isn't an offensive stat. It's a combination of offensive and defensive shot/chance generation and prevention while you are on the ice, and while it is very useful in combination with context, other statistics, and in bigger samples, you can't just take isolated single game outcomes and make broad proclamations about individuals.
Not only is Reaves so bad that he regularly underperforms his expected goals, Reaves has the worst 5v5 xGF% of any regular Leaf this season. And to be clear, the 4th line got caved in last game. That line had a 16.2 xGF%. Reaves got boosted up to 53% in this game because Matthews and Tavares each generated a good chance during line changes, and he happened to be on the ice.
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This is interesting considering Leafs are middle of the pack in terms of overall expected goal share. Probably an indication that we're sacrificing quantity for quality chances which is a good sign
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Not a bad crew.
About a decade ago on Center Ice, I found there were some very good even (not completely biased reporting) American announcers. They'd never be hired by the Bruins ... and they made the game enjoyable for everyone.
I started listening / watching with the Hewitt family as announcers ...
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DarkKnight
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It's a cautionary tale on why advanced stats are only part of the story.
The coach didn't think he did either. They picked it up as the game went on, but he was a passenger most of the night on that line.
Agreed. He had a couple of nice plays, but for the most part was not sharp or detailed in his game.
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Yeah, he is missing his shot, that's the difference. I know the team doesn't want to get specific but I fear its his wrist. His shot was worth millions alone.
If I am him, no more video games, no more heavy use of his wrist even if it feels good. Get blood flow to the area (sometimes a brace slows down any healing). I'm sure he is getting the best advice possible of course, but something has been off from him and I suspect it's his shot though it could be his back or anything really, I know nothing at all, just theorizing.
He relies more on his slapshot now, which is also a good shot, but it's not his snapshot which was in a legendary class on its own. Speed and knuckleball action which tricked every goalie.
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The divisions top end quality has gotten a bit worse. It always produced a top 3 team in the league, and for a lot of the Matthews tenure, it had the presidents trophy winner. Boston 2x, tampa, florida off the top off my head have all won it once in the Matthews era
The parity is still only top end, as anyone under Ottawa yet again is awful but I guess Ottawa has taken a step forward.
Boston and florida have both regressed from the past 5 seasons and it’s showing in the standings.
But Ottawa was one of the bad teams, are they still bad? doesn't look like it but I'm not willing to say know just yet.
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I personally think it's his back... but who knows. If it were his wrist, he would have been able to skate during his time off.... he didn't.
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Yeah, I though they had a really rough first period, but part of that may have been Nylander getting used to his off wing. Second period on he was the best player on that line.
I noticed that on his first goal he was going down the right side.
Good luck trying to catch Willy when he smells a breakaway. (I wonder if the slash or the hook get called if he doesn't score?)
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Reavo or Holmberg, who cares? At least Reaves brings some jam and some hitting. If you put Holmberg on that 4th line, it will be a line that does a whole lot of nothing. Reaves brings something to the 4th line. It will not score either way, but at least Reaves hits people.
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