Leafs trying to crack the Grabovski riddle

[jmart21]

This thread is hilarious.

People were CRYING....absolutely CRYING for a defensive minded coach when Wilson was here. CRYING.
We get a defensive coach; and fixes the teams defensive issues and special teams issues.
But now we're CRYING about defensive hockey and the consequence it has on guy's numbers.

He gets lots of icetime with his usual linemate in Kulie; if he's not putting up points it's not because he's a "shutdown guy", it's because he can't put it in the net.

 

[leafstilldeath*]

I think Carlyle is just stubborn. Its obvious he likes that big D man, but Kostka/Holzer stink and hes too selfish to put them down. What happened to the "Carlyle is a tough coach" shenanigans, the guys a total softie. Therrien is a hard ass and look where the Canadiens are now.

Burkes stubborn love affair with Ron lost him his job. Not sure whats going to happen now but it'll be entertaining to say the least.

If Carlyle keeps this crap up he will have to answer to the owerners, the GM and most importantly Fans. Its friggen Hockey not rocket science. If somehting isnt working for far too long you change it or try to find parts that could make that something effective (i.e. Liles or Gards FFS even Komo would do fine about now). I cannot understand what the hell is the Coach doing.

He acknowledged that we won the games just by playing well in the 3rd period but How long is that going to last? Seriously!!!

Not really happy with what Carlyle is doing. Gards has 30 points in 40 games in AHL and we still have Costco and HOLEzer playing and ******** the bed for the Leafs. I really feel bad for Dion. What can he do when he is paired with ****.

****in Carlyle that stubborn ass honestly enough is enough!!! If we have to suck then suck properly...1st overall pick for non playoff teams is a lottery at least get the 2-4 pick then and absolutely tank.

Dont like everytime Carlyle comes in the post match conference saying "Coaching staff is trying to sell the team a syste"

Hey moron your sales pitch it seems is not working *********. Other teams are getting 30+ shots almost every game. Not cool at all!!!!

 

[leafstilldeath*]

Please trade Grabovski! I don't care what for.

Sorry but you do not know Hockey!!! Its not Grabo's fault! Its the pig headedness of the coach!

 

[leafstilldeath*]

This thread is hilarious.

People were CRYING....absolutely CRYING for a defensive minded coach when Wilson was here. CRYING.
We get a defensive coach; and fixes the teams defensive issues and special teams issues.
But now we're CRYING about defensive hockey and the consequence it has on guy's numbers.

He gets lots of icetime with his usual linemate in Kulie; if he's not putting up points it's not because he's a "shutdown guy", it's because he can't put it in the net.

Dont blame Grabo!!! He got the deal he got because he had performed for 2 straight years!!! Oh and btw it was the stupid Bozak POS line that was in the minus and couldnt do crap!

Defensive minded coach would have implied smarter defensive decisions!!! that includes getting defencemen who can one touch the puck out of the D-zone or at least skate it out of harms way....Apparently your so called defensive minded coach hasnt done that.

Also what kind of defensive minded coach has a system in place where the goalies get scored 4 goals for at least 4-5 games. Jeeezzzz man. You are one optomist and I envy you (if only I could show my middle finger to reality and live in a La La Land) oh well....

 

[The Podium]

33% defensive zone starts, offensive black holes Kulemin and McClement, 12 minutes TOI/G... WHY ISNT HE SCORING WITH SUCH AN OPPOURTUNITY!

 

[SnipeCheeseAllDay]

I would love to sign Perry in the off-season and try out these lines:

Lupul - Kadri - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Perry
Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Orr
-McLaren

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Gunnarsson
Fraser - Franson
-Kostka/Holzer

 

[number72]

Not sure what Burke was thinking giving Grabbo that kind of money. Yet another way Burke tried to ruin the leafs.

 

[7even]

Played 12 minutes, no PP time, yeah, get the Hardy brothers on this one.

 

[false bobo]

This thread is hilarious.

People were CRYING....absolutely CRYING for a defensive minded coach when Wilson was here. CRYING.
We get a defensive coach; and fixes the teams defensive issues and special teams issues.
But now we're CRYING about defensive hockey and the consequence it has on guy's numbers.

He gets lots of icetime with his usual linemate in Kulie; if he's not putting up points it's not because he's a "shutdown guy", it's because he can't put it in the net.

It's ridiculous how quickly people have turned on Carylyle. Took about a week. I can't take this board seriously.

 

[Stephen]

It's ridiculous how quickly people have turned on Carylyle. Took about a week. I can't take this board seriously.

Carlyle's been coasting on a brief four game winning streak that made the Leafs look good. Outside of that, they're a .500 team taking on water. The way he refuses to play the personnel who should be playing, he deserves to be out of the playoffs, and sooner or later, a job.

 

[inthe6ix]

When I saw Frattin open the Jets game alongside Grabo, I was relieved - that lasted all of about 2 periods once the wheels fell off.

The sooner RC figures out Grabo isn't a Selke candidate, the sooner we will see his offensive numbers climb - and for chrissakes, keep Frattin on his wing!

Kulie works hard, but just no offensive flair - I can't believe this guy actually scored 30 for us two years ago!

 

[Pi]

Carlyle's been coasting on a brief four game winning streak that made the Leafs look good. Outside of that, they're a .500 team taking on water. The way he refuses to play the personnel who should be playing, he deserves to be out of the playoffs, and sooner or later, a job.

Exactly. I like Carlyle as coach...but he never makes one damn change to a team that loses. Defensive hockey would be a treat to watch if we actually played defense.

Anyone here even know what Liles did to get scratched for a MONTH for 2 rookies?

Carlyle is as good as gone if he can't make the playoffs while being as stubborn as he is.

Come on down, Dallas Eakins.

 

[false bobo]

Carlyle's been coasting on a brief four game winning streak that made the Leafs look good. Outside of that, they're a .500 team taking on water. The way he refuses to play the personnel who should be playing, he deserves to be out of the playoffs, and sooner or later, a job.

You can't just toss aside a 4 game win streak like it never happened. Or 15 wins for that matter. Look at our progress as a whole. We've been playing smarter, more physical, and certainly more inspired than we have over the last few years. Up until this recent losing streak we had bounced back from just about every loss. Lack of mobility on the back end has been a glaring weakness, but it's something we can solve internally. Gardiner should definitely be up here, and Holzer would be better suited with the Marlies, but these are NOT long-term issues. They'll likely be addressed within the next week or so, and certainly no later than April 3rd. Carlyle brings the right brand of hockey to this team, and it's in our best interests to have him around.

 

[Guy Boucher]

If they won't play Kadri with Kessel, they need to try Grabovski with him.

The notion that Grabovski and Kessel can't mesh is untested and likely untrue.

 

[bbgobie]

Grabovski's offensive zone starts have decreased dramatically.

34.8% this year, good for 3rd last on the team, ahead of only Kulemin and McClement.

2011-2012: 53%, good for 7th on the team.

2010-2011: 50.2%, 12th on the team.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

Funny how a little research can disprove stupid claims

I guess some also have poor reading comprehension
Where did I say his scoring hasn't gone done?

In fact your post has zero relevance to mine.

I'm simply stating people who think his production has gone row because he's in a shutdown role don't remember that's how he was also used when he had good years

 

[7even]

I guess some also have poor reading comprehension
Where did I say his scoring hasn't gone done?

In fact your post has zero relevance to mine.

I'm simply stating people who think his production has gone row because he's in a shutdown role don't remember that's how he was also used when he had good years

Absolutely not true. He was used as a two-way player; he's playing a checker's role now. His o-zone start % dropped 20% from last year to this year, and his PP time has all but evaporated. You don't do that to a guy AND expect him to produce offensively unless you're high as a kite.

 

[RonEllisFan]

Can't believe all the Randy Hate, sometimes I got to shake my head with this Fan Base.

 

[DeathToAllButMetal]

Grabovski isn't a playmaker. He's a classic full throttle rusher who can't distribute the puck, think through and slow down the play, or a good grinding cycler.

Yup. How are so many people here fooled by this guy? Grabbo rushes mindlessly all over the ice, has no head for the game at all. He's wildly overpaid, too. At that level of salary and the level of expectation, Grabbo should be a guy who can slow the game down, make plays, takes smart shots. Instead, he's all about me-first rips all over the ice. Classic examples of it last night in Winnipeg.

Grabbo and Kessel both need to go to build a real team in Toronto. Carlyle is dead-on with what he's doing here, building a real team where players have responsibilities beyond racing around like idiots. No room for selfishness or stupidity. I'm sure Kessel would be seeing reduced playing time, too, if the Leafs weren't so thin up front, especially with Lupul still out and Frattin out for so long.

 

[DeathToAllButMetal]

This thread is hilarious.

People were CRYING....absolutely CRYING for a defensive minded coach when Wilson was here. CRYING.
We get a defensive coach; and fixes the teams defensive issues and special teams issues.
But now we're CRYING about defensive hockey and the consequence it has on guy's numbers.

He gets lots of icetime with his usual linemate in Kulie; if he's not putting up points it's not because he's a "shutdown guy", it's because he can't put it in the net.

Exactly. I'm a Leafs fan. But good god do I ever hate Leafs fans. Worst fan base in the league. The up-down stuff is just insane, especially here, with people actually calling for Carlyle to be fired.

 

[RealisticLeaf55]

Exactly. I like Carlyle as coach...but he never makes one damn change to a team that loses. Defensive hockey would be a treat to watch if we actually played defense.

Anyone here even know what Liles did to get scratched for a MONTH for 2 rookies?

Carlyle is as good as gone if he can't make the playoffs while being as stubborn as he is.

Come on down, Dallas Eakins.

Everytime you post, for some odd reason I picture Darryl talking

Carlyle needs to man up, cut his losses and get Gardiner and Liles back in. Fraser/Gunnar/Holzer can block all the shots in the world but the fact is: if you can't pass the puck out of your own end it will just stay in your own end. Grabo need someone like Liles who can hold the puck and fire that awesome wrist shot at the net and let grabo find a rebound or pass it to Kulemin who can bang it home. The value a PMD brings to a team is unmeasurable.

 

[The_Chosen_One]

The only person who should be the number one center is Kadri.

Not with his game without the puck.

Actually, Grabovski is a pretty decent distributor. It's just not easy to capitalize on those assists considering that they're up against the opponent's top lines. Not all first line centres are great playmakers either.

 

[Wami]

Grabovski would be perfect with Kessel. I strongly believe that they would work well together.

One thing I've noticed about grabovski is that he has a very hard time breaking into the offensive zone. He doesn't use his wingers and he usually tries to go rambo, pulling useless dekes that never work. The reality about Grabo is that within a certain range, he is actually very deadly. He's got a great jump and really does have a wicked wrister when he gets going.

The solution? Put Grabo on the first line with Kessel and JVR. This works because if you actually watch Kessel, he absolutely loves to bring the puck into the offensive zone and does a lot of things a center would do. His speed on the wing makes the D back up almost always, and he's actually pretty successful at breaking in. This solves the Grabo problem because Kessel will be the playmaker (that he always is) and dish it off to either JVR or Grabo. Now, Kessel can have confidence that his center can actually bury the puck, and Grabo will likely be passing it off too, because he knows his linemates can actually hit twine.

Personally, this is what I'd like to see our lines like with this current lineup (+Lupul, - MacA to trade)

JVR / Grabo / Kessel
Lupul / Kadri / Frattin
Kulemin/ Bozak/ McClement
McClaren / Komarov / Orr

I'm not sold on my placement of McClem / Komarov, but I really like those first two lines and I strongly believe Grabo would be a good fit on Kessel's line.

 

[saffronleaf]

Grabovski isn't a playmaker. He's a classic full throttle rusher who can't distribute the puck, think through and slow down the play, or a good grinding cycler.

Pretty much. He's basically Sergei Berezin.

 

[613Leafer]

Please trade Grabovski! I don't care what for.

If we had traded him last year at the deadline, we would have gotten a 1st round pick!

Now even if he's used in a top 6 role, he has a bad contract. He's never shown to be worth 5.5M. Its not a problem right now, but I worry about 2 years from now, when we're trying to resign Kessel/Phaneuf, Other young players will be getting raises, + UFAs n stuff.

 

[Defense]

If Grabovski knows he can play better, then we can all agree that if he gets going this team will have it a lot easier to win games.