Confirmed with Link: Leafs Trade: Liljegren to San Jose for Matt Benning, 3rd and 6th

Kurtz · 2024-10-31T11:22:43-0400

ULF_55 said:
Playoffs TOI Defenders

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You've got it filtered for even strength there, if you filter for TOI/GP, he falls below Edmun and if you filter for Playoff TOI he falls to 6th on the list due to that healthy scratch.

ULF_55 · 2024-10-31T11:23:20-0400

DarkKnight said:
Mirtle said the same thing last night. He asked around the league at the draft and there wasn't much interest in him. Go back to when the Kings balked at him in a trade, we've over inflated this guy's worth for years.

Time will tell.

We all hope they made the correct decision in Berube not supporting him from the beginning.

Keefe took him out of the playoffs because he wasn't 100% healthy, but he played 6 games, 4th. highest TOI/g, 3rd. highest EV TOI/g.

Seems to be some revisionist comments being made.

ULF_55 · 2024-10-31T11:24:19-0400

Kurtz said:
You've got it filtered for even strength there, if you filter for TOI/GP, he falls below Edmun and if you filter for Playoff TOI he falls to 6th on the list due to that healthy scratch.

No sorted for event strength. TOI/g.
Keefe reported he was not 100%, so put Brodie for 1 game.

DarkKnight · 2024-10-31T11:24:58-0400

ULF_55 said:
Time will tell.

We all hope they made the correct decision in Berube not supporting him from the beginning.

Keefe took him out of the playoffs because he wasn't 100% healthy, but he played 6 games, 4th. highest TOI/g, 3rd. highest EV TOI/g.

Seems to be some revisionist comments being made.

He was out because he was awful.

rumman · 2024-10-31T11:33:26-0400

MarMarSab3 said:
I hope so, I'm not a fan of his game at all.

conFABulator · 2024-10-31T11:54:08-0400

DarkKnight said:
Mirtle said the same thing last night. He asked around the league at the draft and there wasn't much interest in him. Go back to when the Kings balked at him in a trade, we've over inflated this guy's worth for years.

Yep some still are over inflating him I guess because they are saying we didn't get fair value back.

He might turn into something better than what we saw here once out of the spotlight and fishbowl of Toronto...with a chance to compete for ice time on a non-contender. I also think this will happen, but I don't think he was doing it here.

rumman said:
Leaf have a bad habit of shopping players and when no one bites they sign them to overblown contracts, luckily Tre was able to move this mistake, Styles not so much……..

I am not sure this contract was a mistake. We were able to trade a guy that has almost two years or control and we ate 40% of the cash as a signing bonus.

SJ gets a 25 year old, RD with some potential to become more than he has so far (he did play 20 minutes a night for the Leafs last year) for $3.6M in real money over two years.

I think the contract may have added value here.

robertmac43 · 2024-10-31T11:59:24-0400

Mutually beneficial trade here. Lilly going to get much more playing time in SJ. It will be interesting to see if he can take the oppurtunity and run with it.

TheDoldrums · 2024-10-31T12:07:19-0400

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852000168226283659

Ianturnedbull · 2024-10-31T12:13:43-0400

Dekes For Days said:
If you think he's bad, then his value was further tanked by Treliving signing him to a 3m contract.

You're accusing the leafs of all sorts of things. Treliving doesn't select who plays every night. That's on Berube. The same goes for Keefe.

Liljegren has had a long history of hurting TOR and his professional career.

Dog · 2024-10-31T12:23:16-0400

Meh, it is what it is. The big thing was they saved some money. The picks were just filler. Liljegren should get some ice time in SJ.

Jozay · 2024-10-31T12:43:59-0400

DarkKnight said:
They could have lost him for nothing? What was the harm and we were always getting something back, despite what the doom patrol was saying. It was an arbitration move, just get it done. Recall talk prior that the team has soured on him.

Seems like the 2nd year hurt his value.

Dekes For Days · 2024-10-31T12:51:05-0400

Ianturnedbull said:
You're accusing the leafs of all sorts of things. Treliving doesn't select who plays every night. That's on Berube. The same goes for Keefe.

Not sure what you're talking about. All I've done is acknowledge the fact that trade values are negatively impacted by a player:
1. Being paid more than they're worth
2. Being healthy scratched for 90% of games
That seems like a pretty basic and obvious thing, and I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to acknowledge it too.

hockeywiz542 · 2024-10-31T12:52:49-0400

Early Trading: Did limited trade interest in Liljegren force Leafs hand? - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun joins Gino Reda to weigh in on the recent deals that sent defencemen Timothy Liljegren to the Sharks and Olli Maatta to the Utah Hockey Club, how Pierre-Luc Dubois has fit in with the Capitals and the Kings' belief that goaltender Darcy Kuemper could have a bounce back season.

Ianturnedbull · 2024-10-31T12:54:15-0400

Dekes For Days said:
Not sure what you're talking about. All I've done is acknowledge the fact that trade values are negatively impacted by a player:
1. Being paid more than they're worth
2. Being healthy scratched for 90% of games
That seems like a pretty basic and obvious thing, and I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to acknowledge it too.

Yes. As a player he negatively impacted his trade value.

Dekes For Days · 2024-10-31T12:56:10-0400

Ianturnedbull said:
Yes. As a player he negatively impacted his trade value.

Liljegren, Treliving, and Berube all negatively impacted Liljegren's trade value.

Malachi Crunch · 2024-10-31T12:56:38-0400

TheDoldrums said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1852000168226283659

SJ high on his wish list? That's interesting. Low pressure? Sun? Friends on the team? Just a strange team to have high on your wish list in 2024.

Dekes For Days · 2024-10-31T12:59:24-0400

Malachi Crunch said:
SJ high on his wish list? That's interesting. Low pressure? Sun? Friends on the team? Just a strange team to have high on your wish list in 2024.

San Jose offers opportunity and minutes.

TheDoldrums · 2024-10-31T12:59:31-0400

Malachi Crunch said:
SJ high on his wish list? That's interesting. Low pressure? Sun? Friends on the team? Just a strange team to have high on your wish list in 2024.

I'm guessing it's mostly about opportunity, no real competition for minutes

Zero1 · 2024-10-31T12:59:38-0400

Malachi Crunch said:
SJ high on his wish list? That's interesting. Low pressure? Sun? Friends on the team? Just a strange team to have high on your wish list in 2024.

Why is it strange? He wants to play and he’s probably going to play a lot of minutes in a top-4 role.

Malachi Crunch · 2024-10-31T12:59:59-0400

Dekes For Days said:
San Jose offers opportunity and minutes.

Yeah, I guess. It just feels like they're still a long way away from contention.

Zero1 said:
Why is it strange? He wants to play and he’s probably going to play a lot of minutes in a top-4 role.

Because they're nowhere near turning it around. There's going to be plenty of losing ahead. I wouldn't see that as desirable for many players. (he can get ice time on other teams)

Dekes For Days · 2024-10-31T13:02:04-0400

Malachi Crunch said:
Yeah, I guess. It just feels like they're still a long way away from contention.

At only 25 years old and in a bit of an uncertain place career wise, I think at this point, opportunity is a bigger draw than contention.

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