Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

[mikebel111*]

Sucks to lose Finn. We might regret that one. Lol at people no NHL time. Guess Bipolar nation at its finest

I like Grabner. Looks like the plan is same and rebuild is strong

Nice to see no shift in direction here

 

[Northern Dancer]

Let us hope he performs well in a contract year and gets us a 2nd this year.

The only real bonus I see is that it pretty much guarantees that Glencross and Boyes are coming in and those are additional picks as well.

Think you nailed it. Its all about signing some PTO's and moving them for picks at the TD.

 

[TMLeafer]

I guess if this allows signing PTO guys who will get you picks at the trade deadline, so not bad.


Could the speed of 3 on 3 be a factor in this acquisition?

 

[Nooodles]

As Noodles just said, you also have to wonder if this is a precursor to another deal.

Who?


Sad to see Nilsson go...he could be a good one.

 

[Banic]

Agreed. What I found most odd about Finn in the prospects camp was the disparity between fans who said he played well and those who said he played very poorly.

Pretty much only Mike said he was any good during it.

It seems like the mgmt team wasn't high on any of them.

 

[deletethis]

This trade is all about buying contract spots. Not one of these players is above a grade B or grade C prospect. Grabner ain't much of a player either, soft and no longer scoring. I'm guessing that the Leafs think they can give him an opportunity to score to build up some potential trade deadline value.

 

[Discoverer]

It's a moronic move. We're a rebuilding team giving away guys we recently drafted in the 2nd-4th rounds so that we can bring in some washed up veterans who have a small chance of netting us a 2nd-4th round pick. People will defend anything this management group does. It's one thing to give away Broll, Biggs, Knodel and another to give away players who have actually played well and could turn into something.

It depends how management values those players. It's very possible that the current regime saw those guys as more 5th-6th round talents who have limited upside right now, so they're trying to move them out for a chance to make their own 2nd-4th round pick and get a player they actually like into the system.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Verhaeghe and Finn had zero shot at the NHL.

They are young prospects coming off strong junior careers. They are far from the point where you give up on them. That's just Leafs blinders on.

Let us hope he performs well in a contract year and gets us a 2nd this year.

The only real bonus I see is that it pretty much guarantees that Glencross and Boyes are coming in and those are additional picks as well.

Sure.

But we could have done better things to rid ourselves up contract spots. We could have targeted better players than Grabner. We could have got nicer value.

 

[Stephen23]

Another thing to note, Grabner is also a pending UFA, so along with the PTOs already at camp who get flipped at the deadline, so could Grabner.

 

[JayKing]

But why

Clears contract spots. You guys can now sign Glencross, Boyes, Setoguchi who you can then trade at the deadline ofr draft picks and get prospects that the current management would like more than the ones they got rid of. You also have contract spots for waiver claims and trade flexibility.

 

[Sharabhi]

How does waiver claims work? Do Leafs have the 4th position?

If they make a claim, do they go to the back of the line?

 

[Mess]

Verhaeghe and Finn had zero shot at the NHL.

Finn and Verhaeghe rookie tournament sealed their fate as having limited NHL potential.

Likely Sparks play got Hunter wanting to make room for him on the Marlies with Bibeau so Gibson was blocking that.

Beck was dealt to open an NHL roster spot for Grabner.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Clears contract spots. You guys can now sign Glencross, Boyes, Setoguchi who you can then trade at the deadline ofr draft picks and get prospects that the current management would like more than the ones they got rid of. You also have contract spots for waiver claims and trade flexibility.

So why are we clearing contract spots with these guys in particular, and why do we target someone like Grabner to do it?

I agree that this is probably the rationale. It's very poorly executed though, IMO.

 

[Discoverer]

But we could have done better things to rid ourselves up contract spots. We could have targeted better players than Grabner. We could have got nicer value.

You're saying this based on the assumption that either a) the Leafs didn't try to get better value, or b) other teams valued the Leafs package as much as you do. It's entirely possible that most teams didn't have much interest in the players the Leafs were giving up.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sure.

But we could have done better things to rid ourselves up contract spots. We could have targeted better players than Grabner. We could have got nicer value.

Difficult to say what the market was...in theory you might be right but how much can you sell Beck for on the market? a 7th? - People need to want the prospects etc.

Like I said it concerns me that all it takes is for 1 of the prospects panning out for us to look stupid on the trade...Grabner had better perform with good minutes and get us a nice pick at the deadline.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I saw Nilsson and I thought he was pretty decent. Not the end of the world but I guess we have given up on all of those players for a veteran

 

[mikebel111*]

Hoping it was Bozak. Basically the only chracterless player left on this team. He thinks he is Teows so hopefully the managment team talked to him about
Sadly no one wants him

 

[dubplatepressure]

So why are we clearing contract spots with these guys in particular, and why do we target someone like Grabner to do it?

I agree that this is probably the rationale. It's very poorly executed though, IMO.

The likelihood that there are far better projects coming off the waiver wire in teh preseason than the likes of Verheaghe and Finn.

 

[Pookie]

Nazem Kadri just got lucky with this trade. He was getting some serious criticism of his morning interview by the Leafs Lunch guys. Then this.

Next story!

What criticism? He hasn't played yet has he?

 

[Mess]

So why are we clearing contract spots with these guys in particular, and why do we target someone like Grabner to do it?

I agree that this is probably the rationale. It's very poorly executed though, IMO.

Wait till NHL teams start sending young players (through waivers) to the AHL and Leafs start putting in claims now that they have roster contract room to make claims.

 

[Semantics]

People are allowed to change their opinions, but it's amazing how Matt Finn goes from "steal in the 2nd round, sure top-4" to "never going to make the NHL"

Well that just shows you how little progress he's made since he was drafted. Most people around here were either underwhelmed or disappointed with his showing at the rookie camp, so it's not like anyone is doing a sudden 180.

The injury obviously affected him, but you still expect progression from a player that age. He just hasn't had it in him to improve his footspeed or decision making.

 

[selltrade]

youve got Harrington, Loov, Granberg, Percy, Vailev on the farm with Dermott, Lindgren, Desrochers and Nieilson on the horizons to go with the 3 kids on the Leafs Rielly, Gardiner and Marincin. Grabner will probably be flipped for a pick at the deadline. Beck wasnt gonna play with the PTO guys around.. Cleans out crap

 

[deletethis]

Not. A. Fan.

Don't like Grabner very much, he's not here for a lot, we trade potential for depth roster player.

Ugh.

It can only be that the new brass don't like any of those players. I like you don't think much Grabner either. Beck will probably outscore Grabner this season.

Perhaps a precursor trade for another big one where the Leafs are receiving a lot of contracts?

 

[JayKing]

So why are we clearing contract spots with these guys in particular, and why do we target someone like Grabner to do it?

I agree that this is probably the rationale. It's very poorly executed though, IMO.

Why target Grabner? Upcoming UFA, has a good reputation around the league but the Isles needed cap relief (Okposo contract coming up). Once trade deadline comes and teams will have more cap space, expect to get some calls.

Why those prospects? You guys are in a better position to comment. Looking at those names though, they don't seem like much (no disrespect). Matt Finn looks like the biggest name in there but during last season I got the feeling that Leaf fans soured on him.

 

[highslot]

wouldn't have given up on nilsson or gibson. if reimer gets injured....

also, we don't have a lot of rhd in the system and nilsson hits and can skates.