Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign goaltender Harri Sateri (claimed by the Coyotes)

[Antropovsky]

Sateri might be an elite goalie in the NHL

Next Tim Thomas

 

[keonsbitterness]

Good thing I have a job where I can look like I'm doing serious work when I'm on here
But I didn't go back further than this past year, cause even I have limits

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[TR]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]Placed[/TD]
[TD]Claimed[/TD]
[TD]Percent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anaheim[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arizona[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boston[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buffalo[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]18%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calgary[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carolina[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chicago[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]17%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Colorado[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Columbus[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dallas[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Detroit[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Edmonton[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]38%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Los Angeles[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Montreal[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nashville[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]New Jersey[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]17%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NY Islanders[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NY Rangers[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ottawa[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]22%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pittsburgh[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]St. Louis[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]San Jose[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seattle[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]31%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]27%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Toronto[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]29%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vancouver[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vegas[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]57%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Washington[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Winnipeg[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LEAGUE[/TD]
[TD]403[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[/TR]
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T-4th in waived
1st in claimed
5th in percent claimed (pretty small sample size to compare percentages though, my math and stats profs are probably ashamed)

So Toronto is near the top, but it's also tightly packed (but I'm not going to run a regression on it or calculate standard deviation, sorry!)
Of course, injuries and what not will affect, season-to-season, why a team may move players more than others, and roster age and experience will affect how many players actually need waivers. And then of course, you're at the complete whim of the timing of waivers and the state of other teams' roster (injuries, performances, etc.) that will effect the liklihood of a player being claimed (like how so many players clear at the start of the season)

But overall an interesting exercise. This year we did waive a little more than most teams, but even if we assume that trend is true over the past five years, doubling the next team on players claimed is pretty ludicrous.

So the league is obviously trying to screw Vegas. How can people deny the obvious?

 

[uncleben]

So the league is obviously trying to screw Vegas. How can people deny the obvious?

Once again I feel the need to point out the inadequacies of that sample size
57% of Vegas' players likely won't continue to be claimed, and Pittsburgh's 0% this year is very deceiving considering they are second only to Toronto in the past decade, for losing players to waivers, haha. Surely they won't post 0% from here on out


What is more telling is that track record over the past 5+ years

 

[All Mod Cons]

If you're signing a bunch of players that are ending up on waivers, that you are trying to get out of their contracts, does that not reflect on the person signing then as perhaps mistakes in the first place?

The glass 1/2 full suggest because others want them for free that they were good signings, but the opposite side of the coin glass 1/2 empty would claim even the Leafs didn't want them and they also had no trade value only dispersal value of zero return.

Leaf could have had even more than 5 waiver claims had Ritchie or Mrazek or Clifford etc been claimed, because even for free there was no interest, because their contracts were too unpalatable.

Basically the counterpoint being if you're signing a bunch of players that are then taken to the curve being tossed away, is that really a good thing or a bad thing in terms of signings, good contracts, asset management, cap management etc debates just because you were able to find new homes for some of them as opposed to sticking them now unwanted in the AHL?

He's not wrong. Leafs have signed and then tossed away more players than any other team, those players being essentially ones they signed and now no longer want on their roster, being discarded and written off as signing mistakes, regardless if they are claimed or not claimed for free. Coincidentally start of the 2018-19 season time frame lso coincides with the hiring date of our current GM.

I'd you sign 20 4th liners every offseason to league min contracts, and then start waiving them every month, you're going to have a lot of them claimed through the season.

 

[All Mod Cons]

So the league is obviously trying to screw Vegas. How can people deny the obvious?

I'm shocked Florida are 1st in the NHL, when over 1/3 of their waivers get claimed.

 

[Menzinger]

Not quite grasping the suggestion that other teams wanting Leafs contracts as some sort of negative....

 

[Atrusai]

I might be misunderstanding what you're saying, but either way:

-If Montreal signed Sateri, he would still need waivers before Montreal could trade him. In that case ARI claims Sateri, no Sateri to Leafs
-If Toronto signs Sateri, but then has a side deal in place with MTL for them to claim him to stop all other teams, and then trade him to the Leafs, there is a wrinkle in the CBA that any played claimed off waivers that is then traded, they must first be offered to all other teams that put in a claim. In that case ARI claims Sateri, no Sateri to Leafs

Toronto did it the only way they could, and it just didn't work out

Thanks for the info!

 

[Enga Olly]

Not quite grasping the suggestion that other teams wanting Leafs contracts as some sort of negative....

I'm thinking it's "Gotta bash Dubas, so let me see how I can spin this as a negative"

 

[ACC1224]

Not quite grasping the suggestion that other teams wanting Leafs contracts as some sort of negative....

I believe the thinking is they are doing this on purpose because they dislike Dubas and his new age thinking because it is threatening to them in some way.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Friedman: Four or five teams placed a waiver claim on Harri Sateri

The dust has settled on the trade deadline and the Leafs' goaltending...

theleafsnation.com

The dust has settled on the trade deadline and the Leafs’ goaltending situation remains unchanged. Kyle Dubas did try and address it through a trade for Marc-Andre Fleury that fell through and signing Harri Sateri out of the KHL. The recent gold medal winner for Finland had to first clear waivers in order to join the Leafs but was subsequently claimed by the Coyotes.

It no doubt must have been frustrating for Kyle Dubas to lose a player due to the rules regarding signing players from Europe during the season, who mentioned that multiple teams placed a waiver claim on him. On the latest episode of 32 Thoughts, Elliotte Friedman confirmed this while Jeff Marek mentioned an interesting tidbit.

EF: I heard there were four or five claims for [Sateri].

JM: How many were just to mess with the Maple Leafs? Cause I don’t know about you, but that afternoon, every time I’d check in with a team and brought that up, the answer was “Well we’re not gonna do it but we hope somebody else does.”

EF: I wonder if Toronto’s smarter play would have been to give him a two-year deal.

JM: Maybe.

Having five teams place a waiver claim on Sateri (whom the other 31 teams could have signed if they wanted to) is already crazy enough, but what Marek mentioned is even more so. This seems to confirm a report that Steve Dangle mentioned on the most recent episode of the Steve Dangle Podcast in which an insider told him teams tend to place a waiver claim on Leafs players as a bit. While it is not certain whether the Sateri claim was indeed part of the scheme, Marek’s quote of some team executives hoping they would be able to snag up the Finnish netminder seems to imply that this could be a real thing that happens.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Sateri might be an elite goalie in the NHL

It is possible. Extremely doubtful, but again, not impossible. Perhaps Dubas signs him July if he doesn't re-sign in Arizona.

 

[tokyoite]

who is he ?

 

[Leaf Fans]

who is he ?

He is a Finnish goaltender who the Leafs signed, but lost on waivers. ( he had played in Europe and therefore needed to go on waivers to play in the NHL) he was the goalie for the Finns at the Olympics ( won gold but did not play against NHL players) and has pot up very good numbers in the KHL with Sibir Novosibirsk. He is 32 years old.

 

[Warden of the North]

Apparently one of the local radio hosts suggested that if Mark Hunter was our GM this wouldn't have happened.

LMAO

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Apparently one of the local radio hosts suggested that if Mark Hunter was our GM this wouldn't have happened.

LMAO

I know he was not happy with Dubas being chosen over him but lmao

 

[Warden of the North]

I know he was not happy with Dubas being chosen over him but lmao

What annoys me the most about the Mark Hunter fan club is they constantly trumpet his scouting ability, when the only thing we have to show for his drafts were the obvious home runs in Matthews and Marner. Literally just using the central scouting rankings would have picked those two. Some great accomplishment!

 

[Mess]

Not quite grasping the suggestion that other teams wanting Leafs contracts as some sort of negative....

Getting tossed on waivers is only the disposable part of the equation. What about viewing it from the POV of the acquisition part?

The originating part is that it also mean that Dubas is signing a lot of players to needless contracts, that he himself now realizes he doesn't want nor need, and have NO trade value as assets, so waivers is the only option to get rid of them for free.

Everybody has heard the slogan " One man's trash is another man's treasure", so all these teams that are claiming Leafs contract mistakes are only leaving a clear audit trail of Dubas misfires as only for FREE will they haul them away.

Other teams wouldn't have the opportunity to claim Leafs castoffs if Dubas was making better signings, because then he would either keep them to help the Leafs, or could trade them for other assets he might want instead, but their value is Zero.. Anyone can give things away for free that they invested money, time and effort in acquiring.

The only thing the Leafs receive out of all this is [1 of 50 contracts back, and the recaptured cap space remaining on the deal] if that player on waiver is claimed, So that Dubas can go out and have a re-do and sign another player hopefully this time that actually helps the Leafs.

PS. Sateri here being the exception to the rule in that Dubas was forced to waive him, and other teams looked at it as a free asset that will fill a hole temporarily on their roster.

 

[Deebo]

Getting tossed on waivers is only the disposable part of the equation. What about viewing it from the POV of the acquisition part?

The originating part is that it also mean that Dubas is signing a lot of players to needless contracts, that he himself now realizes he doesn't want nor need, and have NO trade value as assets, so waivers is the only option to get rid of them for free.

Everybody has heard the slogan " One man's trash is another man's treasure", so all these teams that are claiming Leafs contract mistakes are only leaving a clear audit trail of Dubas misfires as only for FREE will they haul them away.

Other teams wouldn't have the opportunity to claim Leafs castoffs if Dubas was making better signings, because then he would either keep them to help the Leafs, or could trade them for other assets he might want instead, but their value is Zero.. Anyone can give things away for free that they invested money, time and effort in acquiring.

The only thing the Leafs receive out of all this is [1 of 50 contracts back, and the recaptured cap space remaining on the deal] if that player on waiver is claimed, So that Dubas can go out and have a re-do and sign another player hopefully this time that actually helps the Leafs.

PS. Sateri here being the exception to the rule in that Dubas was forced to waive him, and other teams looked at it as a free asset that will fill a hole temporarily on their roster.

What a bunch of garbage.

 

[kb]

What a bunch of garbage.

Having expectations of 'contributions>=0' is never advisable. Only leads to disappointment. lol

 

[uncleben]

Getting tossed on waivers is only the disposable part of the equation. What about viewing it from the POV of the acquisition part?

The originating part is that it also mean that Dubas is signing a lot of players to needless contracts, that he himself now realizes he doesn't want nor need, and have NO trade value as assets, so waivers is the only option to get rid of them for free.

Everybody has heard the slogan " One man's trash is another man's treasure", so all these teams that are claiming Leafs contract mistakes are only leaving a clear audit trail of Dubas misfires as only for FREE will they haul them away.

Other teams wouldn't have the opportunity to claim Leafs castoffs if Dubas was making better signings, because then he would either keep them to help the Leafs, or could trade them for other assets he might want instead, but their value is Zero.. Anyone can give things away for free that they invested money, time and effort in acquiring.

The only thing the Leafs receive out of all this is [1 of 50 contracts back, and the recaptured cap space remaining on the deal] if that player on waiver is claimed, So that Dubas can go out and have a re-do and sign another player hopefully this time that actually helps the Leafs.

PS. Sateri here being the exception to the rule in that Dubas was forced to waive him, and other teams looked at it as a free asset that will fill a hole temporarily on their roster.

You're making it sound like its a failure of the GM if any player is sent down or waived.

So we should only sign exactly 20 players to contracts?

Since Opening Day Rosters were submitted, players have been reassigned from an NHL team to the minors 1300+ times, according to CapFriendly. That's across the League, from every team. Those GMs should have been making better signings with players who could stick on the team!
Waivers have been requested 130+ times across the League since Opening Day too. The 32 GMs in the League should be ashamed for signing/retaining a player that has enough GP to require waivers.

Waivers and player reassignments are one of the most regular things in the NHL.

You can't really think Dubas waiving a player and them getting claimed means Dubas made a mistake in signing them in the first place?

 

[vpasla1]

Apparently one of the local radio hosts suggested that if Mark Hunter was our GM this wouldn't have happened.

LMAO

They're not wrong.

If Mark Hunter was our GM, we wouldn't have signed Hari Sateri in the first place. So wouldn't have happened lol.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Getting tossed on waivers is only the disposable part of the equation. What about viewing it from the POV of the acquisition part?

The originating part is that it also mean that Dubas is signing a lot of players to needless contracts, that he himself now realizes he doesn't want nor need, and have NO trade value as assets, so waivers is the only option to get rid of them for free.

Everybody has heard the slogan " One man's trash is another man's treasure", so all these teams that are claiming Leafs contract mistakes are only leaving a clear audit trail of Dubas misfires as only for FREE will they haul them away.

Other teams wouldn't have the opportunity to claim Leafs castoffs if Dubas was making better signings, because then he would either keep them to help the Leafs, or could trade them for other assets he might want instead, but their value is Zero.. Anyone can give things away for free that they invested money, time and effort in acquiring.

The only thing the Leafs receive out of all this is [1 of 50 contracts back, and the recaptured cap space remaining on the deal] if that player on waiver is claimed, So that Dubas can go out and have a re-do and sign another player hopefully this time that actually helps the Leafs.

PS. Sateri here being the exception to the rule in that Dubas was forced to waive him, and other teams looked at it as a free asset that will fill a hole temporarily on their roster.

Are you high?

No, seriously..

 

[ACC1224]

Apparently one of the local radio hosts suggested that if Mark Hunter was our GM this wouldn't have happened.

LMAO

There are some that believe that Teams have it in for Dubas. If you believe that then it stands to reason then that Hunter would not be as unfairly treated.

 

[paulhiggins]

You're making it sound like its a failure of the GM if any player is sent down or waived.

So we should only sign exactly 20 players to contracts?

Since Opening Day Rosters were submitted, players have been reassigned from an NHL team to the minors 1300+ times, according to CapFriendly. That's across the League, from every team. Those GMs should have been making better signings with players who could stick on the team!
Waivers have been requested 130+ times across the League since Opening Day too. The 32 GMs in the League should be ashamed for signing/retaining a player that has enough GP to require waivers.

Waivers and player reassignments are one of the most regular things in the NHL.

You can't really think Dubas waiving a player and them getting claimed means Dubas made a mistake in signing them in the first place?

Dubas should make a list of the GMs too lazy to find their own talent and have to claim Leaf signings from the waiver wire. These are the same GMs he could probably fleece in a future trade.

 

[Bluelines]

I get the bitchin' about losing so many to the waiver wire, losing something for nothing sucks but if they were so valuable to begin with why are they on waivers. We're complaining about a 13th forward or a 7th d-man... So I guess we get some knuckle dragger to hurt the stars of the teams who put claims on our waiver tweeners? Send a horse head in the bed message?

Trade for Reaves, put him on Matthews line, then let Reaves eat lunch.