Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign goaltender Harri Sateri (claimed by the Coyotes)

[WATTAGE4451]

Couldn't he make a pre-deal with teams that has the first claim on waiver?

Hey, Arizona, Ottawa or whoever. I am going to sign a player, can you calim him and send him back to me for 7th?

Is that doable?

Not exactly. Players who are claimed off waivers must be offered to the other teams that placed an original claim before that player can be traded. So even if arizona was first claiming team that got to have him, before they could trade him, theyd have to offer him to any other teams that put in a waiver claim as well. (Basically waivers again but only for the previous teams that put in a claim) rule clearly meamt to circumvent claiming a guy waived you dont wamt just to make anothsr team have to trade fo him from you.

 

[pucksakes666]

Not worried about losing a goalie that hasn’t played in North America in years.

 

[Mess]

I'm curious how many teams might have put in a claim for him and several teams needed a spare goalie after dealing one.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The NHL is the ultimate anti-fun league. I was looking forward to a new and interesting storyline. It's not even that I'm disappointed because of the player's potential skill, it's moreso that this league doesn't allow anything and our checks and balances don't make sense. If a Free Agent signs a contract to play for us, why is it good for the player that another team that they didn't agree to play for, can take over the agreement the next day. It's so dumb.

I'm just making stuff up but if I sign a contract in Sweden, Russia shouldn't be able to claim me

 

[SprDaVE]

The NHL is the ultimate anti-fun league. I was looking forward to a new and interesting storyline. It's not even that I'm disappointed because of the player's potential skill, it's moreso that this league doesn't allow anything and our checks and balances don't make sense. If a Free Agent signs a contract to play for us, why is it good for the player that another team that they didn't agree to play for, can take over the agreement the next day. It's so dumb.

I'm just making stuff up but if I sign a contract in Sweden, Russia shouldn't be able to claim me

We can still sign him this off-season. I assume the Leafs will reach out again.

 

[thinkblue]

I'm curious how many teams might have put in a claim for him and several teams needed a spare goalie after dealing one.

Dubas said there were multiple teams that put in claims on him, wasn't just Arizona.

 

[Squiffy]

Dubas said there were multiple teams that put in claims on him, wasn't just Arizona.

The same thinkblue that modded 15 years ago or is that a coincidence?

 

[thinkblue]

The same thinkblue that modded 15 years ago or is that a coincidence?

Same one ..

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Dubas has to own the goaltending situation. This is on him.

Yup.

 

[therealkoho]

i dont understand

why did he have to clear waivers with us if he signed a deal ???

It's the NHL and Gary say's it's A-OK

What does Montreal have to do with this?

Also, the kid is 32. He's been playing professional hockey for 15 years.


Coyotes just traded their backup to DAL. They need another backup. Next time have a deal in place to claim-and-trade with Montreal or to bribe Seattle / Arizona not to take him.

they show three goalies on their roster Karel Vejmelka, Sateri and Josef Korenar

Why did he need to go through waivers?

the obscure Euro UFA rule that is mostly legal mumbo jumbo, but basically states that UFA players coming from terminated European contracts and are not on any exempt of reserve lists can be signed but then have to go through "Entry Waivers" for NHL service

It makes no sense to me other than it's to put a stop to bidding wars for players coming from Europe, but that's only my guess. I started reading through the parameters but after 4 paragraphs my eyes glazed over, and this from a guy who once understood Canada's Tax Act and some of the more weird clauses.

 

[therealkoho]

If I'm him I would say thanks but no thanks Arizona and not even report

he does have that choice of course but if he does that he remains Arizona property for the remainder of the season which means no paycheques, I'm not sure what happens July 1st however and whether or not he becomes a full UFA.

I think he signs reports and plays for next year

 

[Machinae]

he does have that choice of course but if he does that he remains Arizona property for the remainder of the season which means no paycheques, I'm not sure what happens July 1st however and whether or not he becomes a full UFA.

I think he signs reports and plays for next year

he's getting guaranteed NHL money, this isn't Nabokov who already had millions in career earnings. They can waive him and send him to the AHL and he's still gonna stay because its a 1-way deal lol.

 

[hotpaws]

Why all the drama over the Yotes claiming him , the guys in his 30’s and has played a small handful of games in the NHL .

The chances of him being anything are extremely slim to none .

 

[1specter]

If you guys want a good laugh, go check out the Coyotes board. They're pumping up their chests and acting tough because they claimed Sateri from their sugar daddy.

 

[therealkoho]

Personally, I think this would be better handled on a case-by-case basis, rather than a blanket "you can sign anyone not in the NHL" vs "you have to put any signed player on waivers before you can sign them". The latter screwed us here, but the former would have let Boston stash David Krejci at home and activate him now to avoid the full cap hit.

Maybe something like "players only have to pass through waivers if it's been less than 2 years since they were on an NHL roster" or something?

maybe what the NHL/PA needs to do with this weird waiver rule is attach some jeopardy to a claim. Every team has a chance to sign that player coming over if they don't then obviously they really had no interest, or the player chose to not sign with them. It needs to cost them something for the claim, the signing team has more than likely put some work into scouting the player, and then negotiating a deal, ordering equipment/sticks and so on, so maybe the claimant is required to pay all associated costs and give up a 7th rounder of the upcoming draft.

 

[SprDaVE]

If you guys want a good laugh, go check out the Coyotes board. They're pumping up their chests and acting tough because they claimed Sateri from their sugar daddy.

Leaf fans would be happy to utilize a tool like this to get a free asset that could be ok in the short-term. It's not a big deal.

I don't think Dubas and the Leafs would though because they have built a reputation of integrity and respect of their peers. This was really scummy from an organization that can't even play in a full sized NHL arena. They have 3 other goaltenders in the minors, and the Leafs even did them a favour by taking on Carter Hutton and his salary.

Say want you want about Sateri and how good/bad/whatever he is, but he chose to sign with a team because of his own reasoning but because of an old rule that is beyond what this rule was meant to do, the Coyotes took advantage instead of understanding that this player signed here for a reason. This wasn't the Leafs waiving him because of performance or other issues.

 

[therealkoho]

So who backups for Kallgren till Jack is back

Cap Friendly shows Mrazek as the other rostered goalie

 

[therealkoho]

Leafs could sign a guy for the rest of regular season too, then bring up Mrazek for playoffs. Any FAs?

David Ayres may be available

 

[therealkoho]

We can still sign him this off-season. I assume the Leafs will reach out again.

maybe not as they'll get to see him against NHL competition

 

[Squiffy]

Ya there's nothing to be excited about here from a Leaf or Yotes perspective. It's a waiver claim, full stop.

Nabokov, Wellwood (sorry to bring up board), Svatos, it happens from time to time. Nabokov wouldn't report to Isles and was suspended for the remainder of year. Nothing new is going to happen here one way or the other.

Ruotsalainen starred in the Finnish league and twice came over after the season there to win Cups with the Oilers. That's the reason, to prevent back room deals stashing legit players in Europe. It may be heavy handed and unfair in situations like this, but take it away and every front office worth its salt needs to take full advantage of it.. no good.

Hell, the Leafs would have a shadow Euro team in the space of a year.

 

[therealkoho]

he's getting guaranteed NHL money, this isn't Nabokov who already had millions in career earnings. They can waive him and send him to the AHL and he's still gonna stay because its a 1-way deal lol.

I was responding to a posters query/supposition that Sarteri does not report, if that wasn't clear?

 

[therealkoho]

Ya there's nothing to be excited about here from a Leaf or Yotes perspective. It's a waiver claim, full stop.

Nabokov, Wellwood (sorry to bring up board), Svatos, it happens from time to time. Nabokov wouldn't report to Isles and was suspended for the remainder of year. Nothing new is going to happen here one way or the other.

Ruotsalainen starred in the Finnish league and twice came over after the season there to win Cups with the Oilers. That's the reason, to prevent back room deals stashing legit players in Europe. It may be heavy handed and unfair in situations like this, but take it away and every front office worth its salt needs to take full advantage of it.. no good.

Hell, the Leafs would have a shadow Euro team in the space of a year.

not to mention a few bidding wars, and salaries I don't need to mention are already out of control for the bottom half of the roster

 

[New User Name]

Leaf fans would be happy to utilize a tool like this to get a free asset that could be ok in the short-term. It's not a big deal.

I don't think Dubas and the Leafs would though because they have built a reputation of integrity and respect of their peers. This was really scummy from an organization that can't even play in a full sized NHL arena. They have 3 other goaltenders in the minors, and the Leafs even did them a favour by taking on Carter Hutton and his salary.

Say want you want about Sateri and how good/bad/whatever he is, but he chose to sign with a team because of his own reasoning but because of an old rule that is beyond what this rule was meant to do, the Coyotes took advantage instead of understanding that this player signed here for a reason. This wasn't the Leafs waiving him because of performance or other issues.

Real scummy move by the Gary Bettman Yotes. But to be expected from an organisation that has been babied for years.

 

[Ciao]

Real scummy move by the Gary Bettman Yotes. But to be expected from an organisation that has been babied for years.

I don't think it was scummy at all.

Q: Do you want this player? "Yes" means yes, and "no" means no.

I wish half the women in my life were that easy to communicate with.

 

[hotpaws]

If you guys want a good laugh, go check out the Coyotes board. They're pumping up their chests and acting tough because they claimed Sateri from their sugar daddy.

The 3 fans they have must have been reading all the whining on our board over losing him and believe they just claimed the second coming of Roy , lol .