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HamiltonNHL said:
The salary cap is going from $65 million this year to $71 million next year (and the 6 years after that).

Considering the raises by Kessel and Phaneuf ... they've eaten up alot of the "$6 million extra" for next year.
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Phaneuf's raise is 500k

Kessel's raise is 2.6 (equals Scrivens, Frattin, Tucker & Armstrong coming off cap)

So the net impact of the two raises to the Cap is around 500k. Not a lot of the "$6 million extra" at all
 
HamiltonNHL said:
Our projected space is Zero. (source: http://www.capgeek.com/payrolls/?charts_year=2013 )

Our locked in players are getting big raises (Kessel, Phaneuf).
We only have 12 players locked in for next year.

We have very little flexibility for next year.
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22+ million to sign 10 players with the majority of the top 6, a starting goalie and likely 5 of your 7 d-men. Some Marlies like D'Amigo, Ashton, Granberg, Percy, MacWilliam, Holland should get looks at camp and they have some movable contracts with JVR, Gunnar, Bozak, Kadri, Gunnar, Gardiner if they want to go that route.

More than enough room to play around if Nonis wants to change this team.
 
egd27 said:
Phaneuf's raise is 500k

Kessel's raise is 2.6 (equals Scrivens, Frattin, Tucker & Armstrong coming off cap)

So the net impact of the two raises to the Cap is around 500k. Not a lot of the "$6 million extra" at all
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yah. basically the 6 million we have to play with is to sign our RFAs. (though I think the only one we really have to care about is Gardiner).
 
Leafs have fewest players signed for next year, can only spend $2 million/opening

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This looks bad to me.
Leafs only have 12 players locked in for next year (lowest in league).
To fill their spots, they can spend $2 million per spot.

The Anaheim Ducks have 19 players locked in.
They can spend $5.68 million per empty spot.

Looks like the biggest losers are the Leafs and the Carolina Hurricanes.
They both has lots of work to do, but little money to do it with.

I suppose this might be a way to guess which teams will be better next year.
Looks like the Leafs will have a hard time getting "better" players for next year.

Does this demonstrate that the Leafs are in "Cap trouble" for next year ?

Isn't this the Cap trouble you get into after winning the Stanley Cup ?

/ouch.
 
EazyB97 said:
22+ million to sign 10 players with the majority of the top 6, a starting goalie and likely 5 of your 7 d-men. Some Marlies like D'Amigo, Ashton, Granberg, Percy, MacWilliam, Holland should get looks at camp and they have some movable contracts with JVR, Gunnar, Bozak, Kadri, Gunnar, Gardiner if they want to go that route.

More than enough room to play around if Nonis wants to change this team.
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That's a good Movable contracts list.

JVR,
Bozak,
Kadri,
Gunnar,
Gardiner

Even though you call it more than enough room to play around, it seems most other teams have more room.
 
TheScruffington said:
The Habs are doing a much better job at managing the cap than the Leafs are. Which is pretty sad really. You would think that the team with the most money would be able to get the most out of it to build a solid team.

They've spread out their resources instead of concentrating it in one or two players like Toronto. Their centre depth is way better than ours, their bottom six is better, even their D is better despite getting paid less. Part of building a winning team is having some of your roster players outperforming their contracts, and Montreal has a lot of that. A lot of them are due for raises, but if they are given reasonable extensions with reasonable cap hits then they can be a contender for years to come.

I'd be a whole lot more excited about my team's future if I were a Montreal fan.
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Yeah and the amount of talented youngsters they already have in their top 6 (gallagher, Galchenyuk and Eller) bodes well for them.
 
HamiltonNHL said:
That's a good Movable contracts list.

JVR,
Bozak,
Kadri,
Gunnar,
Gardiner
Even though you call it more than enough room to play around, it seems most other teams have more room.
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Realistically, most teams won't be completely overhauling their roster, so you don't need much more fleibility than what the Leafs have.

The Leafs will be looking to make changes and have the cap flexibility to do it. You're looking at a few Marlies being promoted and a lot of bottom 6 forward spots to fill. Clarkson is the only contract I have a huge issue with.
 
the Leafs are one of the teams statistically least likely to improve their team

EazyB97 said:
Didn't you start a cap thread like an hour ago?
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Well ... it's all merged now :)

The first one was just looking at Salaries of the Habs vs. Leafs.

When you look at the entire NHL .... you can see the Leafs have have to be bargain hunters and make lots of bargains.

The Canucks have 20 locked in and can spend 3.3 per empty spot.

Based on this Cap analysis, the Leafs are one of the teams statistically least likely to improve their team for next year.
 
Doesn't matter how much you spend it's who you spend it on.
This team has stated through contracts that Kessel,Phaneuf,Lupul,Clarkson are your core. If I wasn't a Leaf fan I'd be laughing pretty hard.
 
HamiltonNHL said:
Well ... it's all merged now :)

The first one was just looking at Salaries of the Habs vs. Leafs.

When you look at the entire NHL .... you can see the Leafs have have to be bargain hunters and make lots of bargains.

The Canucks have 20 locked in and can spend 3.3 per empty spot.

Based on this Cap analysis, the Leafs are one of the teams statistically least likely to improve their team for next year.
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The Canucks also need a starting goalie, what do you think one of those will cost them?

The Leafs will likely be looking to move players out as well as adding player, which will change their cap. I expect more turnover with the Leafs than most other teams to be honest due to the recent collapses.

Those numbers also assume all teams will carry the same amount of players (23) and play to the cap.

Who do you think the Leafs will be looking to add that the cap would prevent them from acquiring? Cap space is a lovely thing to have until it ends up being used on the Komisarek/Clarksons of the world
 
I guess if you look beyond relying on any actual statistics and facts; then turn your head sideways and imagine really hard the precise situation the OP is trying to prove... you can almost twist the same stats he did to almost have a point.


Sorry, I didn't have time or enough effort to get through this mine field.
 
With the declining Canadian dollar and with only 1 Canadian team in the playoffs with the 7 Canadian teams driving +45% of the HRR I wouldn't be surprise if the salary cap doesn't reach the reported $71 mil.
 
Trapper said:
Doesn't matter how much you spend it's who you spend it on.
This team has stated through contracts that Kessel,Phaneuf,Lupul,Clarkson are your core. If I wasn't a Leaf fan I'd be laughing pretty hard.
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Have you ever heard of the trade deadline or off-season?

How many teams have a consistent core for 5-8 years without any adjustments? How many of them don't make adjustments; beyond not having success?

Some of you need some damn patience; the Leafs management sure as heck are not waiting around for your posts. It just reeks of desperation and a lack of importance in your own life. :(
 
BayStBullies said:
Have you ever heard of the trade deadline or off-season?

How many teams have a consistent core for 5-8 years without any adjustments? How many of them don't make adjustments; beyond not having success?

Some of you need some damn patience; the Leafs management sure as heck are not waiting around for your posts. It just reeks of desperation and a lack of importance in your own life. :(
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I don't know. How many?
 
HamiltonNHL said:
But we got no Cap space.
Who do we cut and who is going to give us this D man ? :)

I don't think the Leafs are at much of an advantage than the other teams. I think many good players would rather take a pay cut and not play in the Microscope of the Toronto Media.

Same Salary, Twice the hassle = Go elsewhere.


http://www.capgeek.com/mapleleafs
http://www.capgeek.com/canadiens

Next year the Leafs have 12 players on contract, the Habs have 15.
Bruins 19. Canucks 20.
Hawks 20.

12 seems quite low.
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12 is low but you got your top 6 forwards locked and quite a few D-men signed. It's not ideal but you got 20 mil to round out roster. A trade would prob be beneficial to free some cap off the books but who knows.

Usually young players step in on ELCs and fill out roster. I know leafs pretty well but not their prospect pool, you'd have to tell me if they got guys on the way.

TheScruffington said:
To me, the Leafs aren't succeeding because we have too much cap tied up in wingers. Too many long term contracts. To build a winning team you need to have great cap management and a lot of flexibility. We don't have that lol. The most important positions in the game are centre and D, even goaltending (which isn't a problem for us) and most of our cap is tied up in the wings, which is a problem. More money spent in one position means less money available to spend in another.

And in my opinion we are far more than just one solid D man away from becoming a playoff contender, much less a cup contender.
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FWIW, I think we're not speaking same thing. If we're talking creating a perennial contender then sure but if we're trying to diagnose what went wrong, then no.

But to stay on your discussion, the leafs don't have much flexibility. I don't get it personally. 3 of your top 6 fwds end their contract at same time. There's no staggering nor is there any way to shed along the way. Granted, JVR, Lupul and Bozak are all tradeable so it's not that big of an issue.

I wish I could be as specific as you guys as to what is stopping the leafs from reaching the next level. Many of the players on the roster are good players, if not very good.

Toronto:

14th in Goals per game
26th in Goals against per game
6th in PP%
28th in PK%

Seems to me you need better defensive players. Your FO% isn't good, only one guy above 50%. Phaneuf playing too many minutes as well.

Add a better faceoff guy, get a PK specialist on D and I bet the gap decreases and we're talking bargain bin here.

Daisy Joy said:
thanks. yah - we're just really salty and grumpy right now. (it doesn't help that no one got fired and/or bought out ;) ) yet. I do agree with you. the Leafs and Montreal should be in the playoffs/competing for it every year. (sigh). hopefully next year.
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It's pretty much a shame they aren't. This isn't high horse either, habs sucked a few years back and the fans stopped going to practices and all that. Killed the buzz big time. People can handle a loss or a rebuild but people are less tolerant when you're taking a step backwards.
 
Other than Clarkson I don't have any problem with forwards salary. JVR contract is a steal. Kessel is right around league's standard. Bozak same

It seems Habs are getting better value because Price makes everyone else looks good. When you win, everything looks good.

Subban is going to ask for Dion' type of money.
 
It's pretty much a shame they aren't. This isn't high horse either, habs sucked a few years back and the fans stopped going to practices and all that. Killed the buzz big time. People can handle a loss or a rebuild but people are less tolerant when you're taking a step backwards.[/QUOTE]

The Habs fan base is far less tolerant than the Leafs.
Even now after a 3rd collapse people are saying be patient.
No way the Habs ever miss the playoffs 6 of 7 years like we do without a huge fire in the city.
 
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