Leafs Positive Safe Space

[dougieg93]

It's possible but not likely. His whole personality and the vibes he gives off doesn't give me much hope.

Perhaps - we're all spit balling, but I've been around this team long enough to be aware that Murphy's law can go in both directions. As per Matthews - I just think it's his introverted personality. So he might not give the dressing room motivational speech but he can still lead by example. Success can't also be entirely be up to him as he needs the supporting cast.

 

[stealth1]

Perhaps - we're all spit balling, but I've been around this team long enough to be aware that Murphy's law can go in both directions. As per Matthews - I just think it's his introverted personality. So he might not give the dressing room motivational speech but he can still lead by example. Success can't also be entirely be up to him as he needs the supporting cast.

After his assinine exit comments about too many passengers, I have no respect for the guy anymore. My other issue is for being one th highest paid players he should be leading the way in the playoffs. Like McDavid, Crosby in his prime and Draistl do.

 

[dougieg93]

After his assinine exit comments about too many passengers, I have no respect for the guy anymore. My other issue is for being one th highest paid players he should be leading the way in the playoffs. Like McDavid, Crosby in his prime and Draistl do.

He could have been putting himself in that category along with the group - it should have been clarified as it's ambigous either way but I would give the benefit of the doubt as it's not characteristic of him to say those things publicly.

 

[ashs]

Leafs are a few pieces away from being a big deal. We literally took the defending chsnos to game 7 with our backup goalie. Itd not all doom a D gloom but organizationally our front office needs a shake. They have made dumb moves, poor asset mgmt, and have vilified our players and fans. Shanny has to go and the damage between the 2 needs to be mended.

 

[HofT]

While true, the Leafs have changed their bottom 6 multiple times as well as changed coaches. The results are the same. When the pressure is on they told. The common denominator is Matthews Marner and Nylander. Also due to the cap they take up, it's hard to get better bottom 6 guys that are want more than league minimum

Reshuffling of their bottom 6 was part of the problem. Cap was supposed to go up but it didn't. Now it is. Feels like Toronto will just miss an opportunity

 

[Ianturnedbull]

There's no logic in Leaf land. They're masochists

No.

We just don't hop on Bandwagons.

There are plenty of people who do.

 

[thewave]

Reshuffling of their bottom 6 was part of the problem. Cap was supposed to go up but it didn't. Now it is. Feels like Toronto will just miss an opportunity

The core wants overpaid consistently. They then call minimum wage players passengers while doing nothing themselves. It's really quite astonishing.

 

[HofT]

The core wants overpaid consistently. They then call minimum wage players passengers while doing nothing themselves. It's really quite astonishing.

Typical leaf fan overthinking a quote. And again, COVID happened - cap was supposed to go up but didn't so we have been strapped cause of that.

 

[IPS]

There's no logic in Leaf land. They're masochists

You're right.

Wanting to bring back the same 4 players who have been the mainstays for all 9 years of failure (literally every single other roster player as been shuffled), that is the definition of no logic.

 

[stealth1]

Typical leaf fan overthinking a quote. And again, COVID happened - cap was supposed to go up but didn't so we have been strapped cause of that.

COVID happened for every team. They all managed. I get it, with the cap not going up it left them with little room to add better bottom 6 players. The bottom 6 isn't the reason they have failed 9 years in a row. It's crazy to me how so many of you still defend Matthews, Marner and Nylander when they are the biggest problems

 

[Smif]

Plot twist:

He's injured every playoffs and that's his excuse, ironically, the same reason he needs to go.

Every year the same crap from this team. Marners a coward and Matthews is made of glass. They both need to go.

You lose one for nothing and that stings, Matthews needs to be spoken to and you need to get a legit KINGS randsom for him.

You don't win a trade that involves Matthews, unfortunately.

 

[HofT]

COVID happened for every team. They all managed. I get it, with the cap not going up it left them with little room to add better bottom 6 players. The bottom 6 isn't the reason they have failed 9 years in a row. It's crazy to me how so many of you still defend Matthews, Marner and Nylander when they are the biggest problems

COVID affected every team, yes - but it didn’t affect every team the same way. The Leafs had just committed big money to 3 of their up and coming young stars in Matthews, Marner, and Nylander under the assumption that the cap would keep rising like it always had. Then COVID hit, the cap froze, and suddenly the Leafs were boxed in. That timing was unique to the Leafs - we had to sign 3 young star players. Big contract to Tavares definitely didn't help either.

On top of that, Southern US teams got to exploit their tax advantages in a flat-cap era, while Canadian teams like the Leafs had to overpay or let go of depth. It wasn’t just bad planning - it was a brutal mix of bad timing and structural disadvantage. None of which are Matthew, Marner or Nylander's fault.

 

[Maple Leaf]

But we were darn close, and we are going to be back next year

 

[rumman]

everyone still feeling safe in this thread? Only Leaf Nation could create a thread titled "safe space." too funny..............

 

[ULF_55]

You don't win a trade that involves Matthews, unfortunately.

You don't win a trade which involves Matthews and doesn't involve player "X".

X includes: Hughes, Hughes, Hughes, Markar, McDavid, MacKinnon, Suzuki*, ...


*See if you're reading ...

 

[mikeyz]

I could not disagree more. The complacency and optimism shown by the fanbase is exactly why management has felt 0 pressure to do whats needed to be done.

Dubas is still primarily responsible for starting the coddling of this group by firing Babcock, but this fanbase lapped it up. Its been 9 years of sunshine and rainbows, "best Leafs team ever" type shit. Places like Philadelphia and Boston would've run these losers out of town years ago.

Next to Shanahan, he is the most responsible for this.

 

[mikeyz]

You don't win a trade that involves Matthews, unfortunately.

This is so far from true it’s not even funny.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

After his assinine exit comments about too many passengers, I have no respect for the guy anymore. My other issue is for being one th highest paid players he should be leading the way in the playoffs. Like McDavid, Crosby in his prime and Draistl do.

He wasn't wrong though

 

[stealth1]

He wasn't wrong though

Problem is he is one of those passengers.

 

[namttebih]

In a vacuum it looks positive.

-Won the division
-Over .500 in the playoffs with a 7-6 record
-Won the most playoff games that this iteration of the team has played in a playoff
-Took the defending and possibly repeating Stanley Cup Champs to 7 - the only team thus far to do so

That said, it was a combination between the history, the meltdowns in games 5 and 7 and the more than likely loss of Marner for nothing which taints the above far beyond gratification.

Not good enough. Period

 

[Ianturnedbull]

everyone still feeling safe in this thread? Only Leaf Nation could create a thread titled "safe space." too funny..............

It's not safe, but some need to escape the negativity from time to time.

We hardly had a chance to celebrate the OTT series before things came crashing down.

I know everyone measures success by playoff success. Things are not horrible here. This is not BUF who never make the playoffs. This is not CBJ who never make the playoffs throughout the existence of their franchise. This is not the New York Rangers who have 1 cup in 85 years.

We came from a horrible time when Tor didn't make the post- season 9 times in 10 years.

Why is everyone so down and shitting on this team for making the playoffs every year but not able to get by really good teams?

The drama is wild. The the crazy amount of hockey therapy we have to do around here is shocking.

"Safe space" is tongue in cheek 100%.

 

[Apex Predator]

Isn’t this thread the exact reason our core are what they are. They’ve been protected and given everything they want. Shanny telling them they are safe they aren’t getting traded. End of every season they are put in a positive space instead of your play wasn’t good enough. It’s been we didn’t get the bounces, we learned lessons, we’re almost there.

 

[rumman]

It's not safe, but some need to escape the negativity from time to time.

We hardly had a chance to celebrate the OTT series before things came crashing down.

I know everyone measures success by playoff success. Things are not horrible here. This is not BUF who never make the playoffs. This is not CBJ who never make the playoffs throughout the existence of their franchise. This is not the New York Rangers who have 1 cup in 85 years.

We came from a horrible time when Tor didn't make the post- season 9 times in 10 years.

Why is everyone so down and shitting on this team for making the playoffs every year but not able to get by really good teams?

The drama is wild. The the crazy amount of hockey therapy we have to do around here is shocking.

"Safe space" is tongue in cheek 100%.

Maybe change the thread title to President’s Trophy or bust, because if h that’s the goal the team isn’t in “horrible,” Cup contender not so much…….

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Maybe change the thread title to President’s Trophy or bust, because if h that’s the goal the team isn’t in “horrible,” Cup contender not so much…….

There is almost no evidence that this team doesn't want to have success in the playoffs. The main players who they pay to get them there are not that good. Not wanting to get there, and not being able to get there are two different things. No professional team in any sport purposefully try to lose (with the exception of Tim Murray's Buffalo Sabres), or only want President's Trophy glory.