Leafs need a stud D to win a cup. Who is traded for one?
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The Leafs are only trading Nylander imo if it becomes clear we won’t be able to get a deal done. That said, while we all want a stud D it’s not a hard requirement. We do however need defensive personnel improvement, that much I think we all agree on. The reality is that even IF we moved Nylander, unless he’s willing to extend where we are sending him he won’t pull the kind of player you’re referring to as a rental. Either that or we are looking at a player returned that is in similar situation (pending UFA, having trouble getting signed)
Treliving has actually been pretty vocal about wanting to re-sign Nylander.
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We need scoring also. Some of the playoff games we couldn’t get the tying goal or go ahead goal for huge stretches.
Nylander doesn’t get bullied if the puck.
I’m still on the we should trade Marner for some better D pieces and just a heavier forward.
It’ll hurt our regular season performance. Without Marner we barely squeak into the playoffs. But the guy loses the puck constantly in playoffs.
Let’s see what Treliving has in his sleeve. We are definitely tougher to play against this year
Nylander doesn’t get bullied if the puck.
I’m still on the we should trade Marner for some better D pieces and just a heavier forward.
It’ll hurt our regular season performance. Without Marner we barely squeak into the playoffs. But the guy loses the puck constantly in playoffs.
Let’s see what Treliving has in his sleeve. We are definitely tougher to play against this year
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They need more then 1 good defencemen. They need at least 2.
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Trading Nylander for a high end top 3 Dman would good for the Leafs on multiple levels.
If you can get that Dman re-signed/signed for equal or less than Nylander makes now its a home run move.
I think calling it a home run is definitely overstated. Really depends on the D. If it’s a #3 it is probably not a win at all.
Top pairing guy at 7M maybe, if he’s legit.
Nylander is a damn good player who could pot 45-50 goals and 90+ points. I’m in no rush to trade him, and I’m far from convinced doing so improves us
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CantLoseWithMatthews
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Some of you people must have had a lot more fun watching the Leafs average 2 goals per game to lose against the Panthers than I did. I can't imagine why anyone would want to make the offense even worse
VanillaCoke
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Try cheap options until JT contract expires, add a top dman (or 2) with that cap space to the big 3 top tier fwds.
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I may be mistaken but we have a Trade Thread and multiple Nylander threads already.
Gilmour1996
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If they hadn't had a team where their top players played like The Cowardly Lions they would have averaged more than 2 goals a game. There are lots of players in the league other than Nylander, many of which provide useful assets lacking in Nylander's game.
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Yeah I would sooner force Nylander to play a two-way game consistently than give him up for a defenseman who provides half the offense.
Their goalie. For two rounds atleast lol
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Leafs aren't going to find a dman that make them discernably better by trading Willy. Best case if cap is a concern is Seider and an investment in additional depth to add to the roster. Would be lucky if it holds the line in the short term but may pay dividends later
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Exactly. They had Ekblad who makes Rielly look like the best defensive dman in the world and Forsling who if he were here no one is calling him a #1 D.
People just throw shit out there to explain things. Too soft, need a #1 D, need this, need to trade this guy.
Another thing, we are always talked about as bad defensively and that is why we lose. And we've been a good defensive team for 3 seasons now. And yet every season, we get people surprised at how good the Leafs are defensively and they've figured it out and this is the year.
Eventually they will just do it and it won't be any other reason than that's hockey
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hamzarocks
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I doubt Marner brings Seider let alone Nylander
Hes one of the top young D in the league. Untouchable for the most part
Montour was an elite 1D in the reg season and pretty good overall this year
Unlikely he hes a 70+ pt D again but he was great this year
If ekblad is healthy hes an elite 1D, had 57 in 61 2 years ago. Hard to see him getting back to that level though after his latest knee injury
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Chris Pronger is long retired.
Kidding.
I don't know what team will just give up a player like that for either Nylander or Marner.
I have no problem with Brian Burke as a person. When Burke came to TOR and declared Dion Phaneuf a "stud"/"horse" (after acquiring him) it really became a terrible situation. He was never a "stud". He was more of a #4 defenseman playing #1 role.
Perhaps Rielly is not a perfect top pairing D, but a big improvement on him would come at a massive cost. It would take more than Niklas Hagman, Ian White, Jamal Mayers, and Matt Stajan to get what you want.
Why give up a lot of assets in a non-rebuild year?
Kidding.
I don't know what team will just give up a player like that for either Nylander or Marner.
I have no problem with Brian Burke as a person. When Burke came to TOR and declared Dion Phaneuf a "stud"/"horse" (after acquiring him) it really became a terrible situation. He was never a "stud". He was more of a #4 defenseman playing #1 role.
Perhaps Rielly is not a perfect top pairing D, but a big improvement on him would come at a massive cost. It would take more than Niklas Hagman, Ian White, Jamal Mayers, and Matt Stajan to get what you want.
Why give up a lot of assets in a non-rebuild year?
Evilhomer
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This really is it. There is no clear cut approach to winning. It's a collection of random events going your way more often than not.
Also I'm not sure if people really realize outside of some outstanding goaltending performances teams are hardly shutting others down much anymore. Every other game the score is like 6-3 or something even in the playoffs now. We need a lot of offense from all over and I think we have that more so than any other team if the Leafs can stay healthy enough.
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Lol. Seider doesn't get Marner. Maybe Hughes but Canucks won't part with him. Detroit might make a trade for Seider on a sign and trade for Willy.
hamzarocks
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Go start a poll and see if Wings fans would deal Seider for Marner
Seider had a slight down year paired with a poor player who he doesnt fit with in chiarot for times but he was able to bounce back second half of the year and had 40+ pts after a 50+ pt rookie season
Quinn Hughes is a better offensive but worse defensively Rielly, he would never get Marner if they had similar contracts
Nylander isnt worth more than Fiala who got a 1st + B+ prospect in a sign and trade type deal
The most untouchable defenseman in the league are
Makar
Fox
Heiskanen
McAvoy
Seider
Powers
Sanderson
None of those guys would be on the table in a move for marner or nylander - though Sanderson isnt worth those two guys yet, hes just overrated by the sens internally after his gross deal
hamzarocks
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2024 1st/Minten/Robertson/Niemela type pieces probably only bring a rental addition like RoR back (not all of those but a 1st + Minten would get a top deadline Rental for example)
Nylander can get a signed good player who can be a future asset for multiple years
