Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose to Stars, 4-1

[ClarkSittler]

You tried to pretend that only one type of team wins the cup. You cherry picked 4 cup winners. I noted that even within your cherry picked cup winners, Colorado as an example was quite different and did not fit your mentioned characteristics.

No I didn't, I just pointed out the characteristics of cup winning teams which you dodged once again, congratulations!

You asked "What's different about them exactly?". I told you. "Colorado is not a dump and chase team. They value possession and carry the puck at an above average rate. They are good at transition and get rush chances. They were fast, but their forecheck wasn't all that "heavy". They activated their D, and played to win. They're not a particularly physical team, especially in their core players. They are allowed offensive creativity. Etc." Now you're somehow upset that I used the team that you literally brought up to prove you wrong.

I didn't cherry pick Colorado, you did. Dump and Chase, puck possession and rush chances aren't NHL systems, in fact they're not even minor league systems. I'm pretty sure now you don't understand what hockey systems are at all. "They activated their D and played to win" LOL. Yes because no other team does that, I mean who plays to win after all.

I don't think there is a "magical system that everyone should be using". I think there are things about our system that our team should change to better play to our strengths, and I have explained what they are and why.

But you've never explained this systems at all. What system are we using and what other one should we be using? You've been asked this several times already and never have a coherent response. Why?

The only one doing that is you. You're clearly not interested in actual discussion.

Here we are again with the immature I know you are but what am I form of argument.

They could have kept him. His price only increased 2.5m, and they had cap to allocate. They chose others, despite not having a replacement, because he was unreliable. So few wanted him that he didn't sign until mid August, and had to go to the place he previously used a NTC to avoid going.

Yes he was so unreliable he received multiple offers in the 7 million dollar range. He would've been Colorado's 4th highest paid player, they weren't fitting him under the cap, where do you come up with this nonsense anyway?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I just pointed out the characteristics of cup winning teams

Cup winning teams have a wide range of different characteristics.

I didn't cherry pick Colorado, you did.

It was literally one of the teams you picked out.

Dump and Chase, puck possession and rush chances aren't NHL systems

I'm not the one who said they were. You are: "Dump and chase hockey combined with a speed, a strong forecheck and aggressiveness wins Championships. The last 5 cup winners employed some of type of this system which made them successful."

But you've never explained this systems at all.

I have explained the things about our system that I would like to see changed and why multiple times. You are choosing to ignore it.

Yes he was so unreliable he received multiple offers in the 7 million dollar range. He would've been Colorado's 4th highest paid player, they weren't fitting him under the cap, where do you come up with this nonsense anyway?

He was dropped by his team, and had to sign 7 weeks into free agency with the team he had previously blocked going to, despite coming off a career year and a cup. He would be tied for Colorado's 5th highest paid player. They had the cap. They chose Nichuskin for a similar amount at the same time. And then signed Manson... And then later re-signed Toews for a higher cap hit... His replacement is making just 1.25m less, for the record.

 

[ClarkSittler]

Cup winning teams have a wide range of different characteristics.

Here we go again, what characteristics besides the ones I mentioned would those be?

It was literally one of the teams you picked out.

I used the the last 5 cup winners as examples, you decided to cherry pick Colorado thinking that would help your argument. We can go back further if you like. Do you think Berube's cup winning Blues' were different?

I'm not the one who said they were. You are: "Dump and chase hockey combined with a speed, a strong forecheck and aggressiveness wins Championships. The last 5 cup winners employed some of type of this system which made them successful."

Sure you were, that was your response when I asked what "is the difference between the systems".

And you still haven't explained what system we should be using and why it's better than others. The more you dodge the se questions the more apparent it is you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have explained the things about our system that I would like to see changed and why multiple times. You are choosing to ignore it.

Again for the millionth time, what system are we using? What one should we be using?

He was dropped by his team, and had to sign 7 weeks into free agency with the team he had previously blocked going to, despite coming off a career year and a cup. He would be tied for Colorado's 5th highest paid player. They had the cap. They chose Nichuskin or a similar amount at the same time. And then signed Manson... And then later re-signed Toews for a higher cap hit... His replacement is making just 1.25m less, for the record.

I see, so using your idiotic rationale, anyone signing for almost double their former contract was "dropped by his team". Tavares must've been dropped too.

They saved over a million signing his so called replacement who hasn't replicated Kadri's success and may never do so.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Here we go again, what characteristics besides the ones I mentioned would those be?

You're still not getting it. Different cup winning teams have different characteristics.

I used the the last 5 cup winners as examples, you decided to cherry pick Colorado thinking that would help your argument.

You tried to make an argument by cherry picking a few teams. I used one of the teams you cherry picked to prove you wrong.

Sure you were, that was your response when I asked what "is the difference between the systems".

Noting differences between systems and teams is not naming NHL systems. I don't know why you're so stuck on this. I have explained to you what we should be changing and why. You haven't addressed it or justified your own position. Just falsely claimed that all Cup winning teams do the same thing, while ignoring and nitpicking my answers.

I see, so using your idiotic rationale, anyone signing for almost double their former contract was "dropped by his team".

His contract didn't double. They had the cap space, and the need, and decided to go in multiple different directions instead.

 

[ClarkSittler]

You're still not getting it. Different cup winning teams have different characteristics.

Ok and what are they exactly?

You tried to make an argument by cherry picking a few teams. I used one of the teams you cherry picked to prove you wrong.

I didn't "cherry pick" any teams I referred to the teams who won the last 5 Cups. How far back did you want to go?

Noting differences between systems and teams is not naming NHL systems. I don't know why you're so stuck on this. I have explained to you what we should be changing and why. You haven't addressed it or justified your own position. Just falsely claimed that all Cup winning teams do the same thing, while ignoring and nitpicking my answers.

Yes we know you don't understand hockey systems, that's evident with every post you make avoiding the subject. For the last time please let us know what different systems the Stanley Cup winning teams are using and go as far back as you'd like.

His contract didn't double. They had the cap space, and the need, and decided to go in multiple different directions instead.

His contract went from $ 4.5 million to $7 million, they would've loved to keep him, but couldn't, just like Hyman and the Leafs.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Ok and what are they exactly?

You want me to explain to you every single characteristic that a team can have? Lol.
That pretty much confirms you're just trying to waste my time.

they would've loved to keep him

Then they would have kept him.

 

[ClarkSittler]

You want me to explain to you every single characteristic that a team can have? Lol.
That pretty much confirms you're just trying to waste my time.

I want you to describe this system you claimed could be improved on many posts ago. Your world class dodging is free entertainment

Then they would have kept him.

You can't keep players you can't afford. See Luke Schenn, Noel Acciari, Joel Edmundson.

I mean there is many more if you want me to keep going... Stamkos, Kane, Marchessault,Tavares., etc.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I want you to describe this system you claimed could be improved on many posts ago.

If you want the system that could be improved on, see Berube.
If you want the improvements, see my posts in this thread.

You can't keep players you can't afford.

They could afford him.

 

[ClarkSittler]

If you want the system that could be improved on, see Berube.
If you want the improvements, see my posts in this thread.

I'm still waiting for you to explain these systems, after many requests it's clear you have no answer.

They could afford him.

They Islanders could've afforded Tavares too, Chara as well. What happened?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm still waiting for you to explain these systems

I explained a ton. Not my job to teach you full systems for no reason

They Islanders could've afforded Tavares too, Chara as well. What happened?

They traded Chara and Tavares chose to leave, though not sure the relevance.

 

[ClarkSittler]

I explained a ton. Not my job to teach you full systems for no reason

They traded Chara and Tavares chose to leave, though not sure the relevance.

Sure you have.

Tavares left, just like Kadri chose to leave. Kane, Tarasenko, Stamkos and Marchessault too.

It wasn't because their new contract was way over the teams cap.

 

[ACC1224]

You two must be exhausted. Don’t you ever sleep?

 

[keonsbitterness]

That was

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tavares left, just like Kadri chose to leave.

The only similarity is that both teams had the cap for the player. But Tavares left a higher offer in NY to be in Toronto, while Kadri left and had to go to the place he had blocked going to, because Colorado didn't value him that highly and chose other players over him.