Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5-2

[shaner8989]

You can’t accidentally spear someone or trip or slash or hook

It’s a f***ing penalty. Fire the refs.

Zero accountability with these clowns.

 

[Gilmour1996]

You can’t accidentally spear someone or trip or slash or hook

It’s a f***ing penalty. Fire the refs.

Zero accountability with these clowns.

They could very well be accountable to their bookies.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Looks like they saw the play fine, realized the player just lost an edge, and made the correct non-call.

So we run this play on repeat against Tampa until it's called, right?

 

[ACC1224]

I can’t believe no one else have ever seen a player lose an edge and wipe someone out without a penalty being called.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I can’t believe no one else have ever seen a player lose an edge and wipe someone out without a penalty being called.

Not when it's a goalie, he gets injured, and lots of teams literally have 1 good one. Luckily that wasn't our good one. What would you be saying if that was Sammy? We're now stuck with Murray/Woll going for a 20 year streak of complete ineptitude but it's just a hockey play?

 

[Arzak]

Bruins don’t take their foot off the gas pedal. They have won the presidents trophy for about 2 months ago, they have a few injuries too but they just aren’t letting up. Compared to the Leafs it’s night and day.

I just wish the Leafs played with such urgency whether the opponent is a top tier team or a bottom feeder out of the playoffs.

They keep winning while resting Bergeron and Krejci. Hall stil on LTIR.

No one playing too many minutes. Pasta leading forwards with less than 20..

 

[Dekes For Days]

I can’t believe no one else have ever seen a player lose an edge and wipe someone out without a penalty being called.

Maybe post some examples of a player taking out the legs of a goalie just standing in their crease and sending their head backwards into the ice not being called?
Sounds like you have a whole bunch of them, to be fighting so hard against an obvious and undeniable penalty.

 

[ACC1224]

Not when it's a goalie, he gets injured, and lots of teams literally have 1 good one. Luckily that wasn't our good one. What would you be saying if that was Sammy? We're now stuck with Murray/Woll going for a 20 year streak of complete ineptitude but it's just a hockey play?

I’ve seen players slide into goalies before with no call. Many times.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I hate to say this but I hope Murray is LTIR'ed and dealt somehow in the off season. I don't ever want want to see him playing again while wearing a Leafs jersey. The only reason he didn't give up his usual 4+ tonight was because he came out early due to injury. Even then, he was half way there after 7 shots on him.

Murray is/was one of Dubas' biggest mistakes. Sammy seems consistent, sort of, but honestly IMO Woll is the Leafs' best tender. Time to roll the dice and find the next Ken Dryden.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Not when it's a goalie, he gets injured, and lots of teams literally have 1 good one. Luckily that wasn't our good one. What would you be saying if that was Sammy? We're now stuck with Murray/Woll going for a 20 year streak of complete ineptitude but it's just a hockey play?

Murray gets "injured" if someone breathes on him. His "injuries' are all between the ears.

 

[DarkKnight]

To be fair, he has a choice of overplaying his few very good players, or giving more ice time to his large group of marginal NHLers.

Said most teams.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

This team needs to shed its loser mentality.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Since when is intention factored into these things though?

Frequently.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Said most teams.

And most if not all teams play their better players more. The problem is the greater dichotomy here.

 

[notDatsyuk]

So we run this play on repeat against Tampa until it's called, right?

You do know that deliberately running a play and accidentally losing an edge are two very different things, right?

 

[Nhlpowerweek]

We dont even know if mr murray is hurt or not. They was just testing him. He might not have anyhing in his brain.

 

[slozo]

Yes they called the initial cross check. Find the replay if you can, it was a pretty good flop the 2nd time and like you say he does have a reputation, a well earned one. He wasn't called for diving, he was called for embellishment.

I'm pretty sure I've seen players on other teams penalized for embellishment. This isn't exclusive to the Leafs.

Was not a flop the second time, I don’t know even how you can say that, especially after the guy leaned into him hard afterward, and held him down… It was a power move, the referee allowed it, and rewarded it.

Brutal call.

 

[ACC1224]

Was not a flop the second time, I don’t know even how you can say that, especially after the guy leaned into him hard afterward, and held him down… It was a power move, the referee allowed it, and rewarded it.

Brutal call.

We obviously see it differently, looked like pretty obvious embellishment. Had nothing to do with being held down after.

 

[1specter]

Frequently.

That doesn't make sense if that's the case. The majority of high sticks, delay of game and various other calls are frequently accidental yet get called anyways because it broke the rules. Interference is interference, tripping is tripping, etc. If we start judging intention it would make reffing even more problematic and ambiguous than it already is.

 

[ACC1224]

That doesn't make sense if that's the case. The majority of high sticks, delay of game and various other calls are frequently accidental yet get called anyways because it broke the rules. Interference is interference, tripping is tripping, etc. If we start judging intention it would make reffing even more problematic and ambiguous than it already is.

High stick is a good example, if it’s a follow through it isn’t a penalty.
IMO the ref didn’t see if the player was tripped or fell on their own so didn’t call anything. They don’t or shouldn’t call penalties if they are unsure.

 

[DarkKnight]

And most if not all teams play their better players more. The problem is the greater dichotomy here.

Marner is tops in the league since the all star break. Obviously what you say is true, but you’re not acknowledging the degree.

 

[ACC1224]

We dont even know if mr murray is hurt or not. They was just testing him. He might not have anyhing in his brain.

Do you mean Bunting?

 

[notDatsyuk]

That doesn't make sense if that's the case. The majority of high sticks, delay of game and various other calls are frequently accidental yet get called anyways because it broke the rules. Interference is interference, tripping is tripping, etc. If we start judging intention it would make reffing even more problematic and ambiguous than it already is.

There's a difference between being careless with your stick and losing an edge and falling. It frequently happens that a player falls and accidentally knocks down another player without a penalty being called. The refs obviously saw this as that kind of incident.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner is tops in the league since the all star break. Obviously what you say is true, but you’re not acknowledging the degree.

Actually, 'greater dichotomy' is acknowledging exactly that, as was my original statement. In fact, that was my whole point.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Do you mean Bunting?

After Dizzy Dean got hit in the head (I don't remember if it was a pitched or a hit ball), he told reporters: "The doctors examined my head and found nothing."