Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 4-3 in OT, Samsonov terrible game

[Nineteen67]

if these idiots lost tonight I am also gonna lost my shit

I wouldn’t get too upset simply because they don’t typically rise to the occasion

 

[Trapper]

Samsonov allowed Chicago to stay in the game and of course our Big Four are no-shows on the scoresheet. Zero reason for this game to get to OT, let alone lose it. f*** this franchise and its propensity for losing to shit teams.

What you said here is exactly what happens in the playoffs on a yearly basis.
If they don’t change the mentality, urgency and identity, it will happen again.

 

[Stephen]

I don’t think 34 needs 16, I think 34 has to work harder and more consistently. 16 should drive his own line. I wouldn’t break up the 3rd line, they’re the only line that works hard on a consistent basis…….

It would be amazing to see what a guy like Tocchet could do for Matthews. It’s very clear he’s comfortable playing with Marner but I always maintain it’s the power game and dog on a bone tendency he used to have with the puck is his ultimate recipe for success. Success as in building on the Hart Lindsay Rocket season and dragging the Leafs closer and closer to the cup, not this Groundhog Day experience we’ve seen 2019-2024.

 

[rumman]

It would be amazing to see what a guy like Tocchet could do for Matthews. It’s very clear he’s comfortable playing with Marner but I always maintain it’s the power game and dog on a bone tendency he used to have with the puck is his ultimate recipe for success. Success as in building on the Hart Lindsay Rocket season and dragging the Leafs closer and closer to the cup, not this Groundhog Day experience we’ve seen 2019-2024.

34 has everything he could ever want, for get Tocchet, God himself could not motivate Mathews, he has to carry his own water in that regard, until then he’s only a shadow of what he could be……

 

[ULF_55]

I can't tell if the system is at fault when the players suck. Today Sammy couldn't save a beach ball if it were blocker side. What part of the system do you think sucks?

I'm not questioning the system.
I'm questioning whether coaching matters.

If coaching matters perhaps a different coach brings better results?
If coaching doesn't matter does it matter if you keep Keefe?

Just watched the condensed game ... highlights don't favor Samsonov at all. At least 2 of the goals are on him.

Hoping marner heats up for November December.

 

[Stephen]

34 has everything he could ever want, for get Tocchet, God himself could not motivate Mathews, he has to carry his own water in that regard, until then he’s only a shadow of what he could be……

Yeah, I mean Top 25 PPG average, held off the score sheet multiple games in a row isn't exactly the kind of stuff you want to see in a guy with Hart pedigree but I could see a new barking voice in his ear snapping him out of his comfort zone. He's taken a step back defensively this year too... no sizzle, no steak.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Marner is turning into the league's most expensive defensive forward / PK specialist. His next contract will be fascinating.

His collar is extra tight because he knows this is usually a show me year where he heads in to the summer with a contract extension offer. He is doing what he does in the playoffs...he plays fancy...from the outside and is ineffective. He is not built to handle playing in this market with the scrutiny the media has. He might be able to do it in the USA...but he can't do it here IMO.

 

[Al14]

They are 10-5-3 after 18 games.

Last year they were 9-5-4 after 18 games.

It wasn't good enough last season, and it sure the hell IS NOT good enough this season.

There needs to be positive growth every year and we're not really seeing any at all.

7 seasons of constant failure in the playoffs without a substantial increase of regular season competitiveness. Winning in round 1 last season was immediately negated by the total collapse in the 2nd round against the Panthers.

Our Leafs have peaked, and are unlikely to get any better the longer the management sticks with this OVERPAID core.

I'd try to trade Marner to Calgary for Kadri, Hanifin, and whatever else I could get.

 

[Al14]

Sammy was crap but they should have been able to outscore his mistakes. That was an AHL team they lost to last night and the Big 4 did virtually nothing.

And they do virtually nothing far too often for the salaries they are paid.

There is NO WAY a no-name Chicago Blackhawk should get a hat trick without a response from any of our core 4. This just PROVES to me that they are all overrated and overpaid IMHO.

 

[horner]

How did he do that?

I thought he benched him for a shift or two

 

[Mess]

Blackhawks goaltender Arvid Soderblom's numbers against the Maple Leafs are almost unbelievable.​

Perhaps the most popular excuse we hear when the Leafs come up short against an inferior team is "they got goalie'd", which is sometimes the case, for sure. Other times, that's not the case. There are games where the Leafs fire 35-of-40 shots straight at the opposing goalie's chest protector, making a pedestrian goalie look like a star. Friday's game, however, was not one of them.

The Leafs had a high volume of high-danger chances, including probably 4 or 5 looks in tight in the first 5 minutes of the game. However, Arvid Soderblom stood tall for the Blackhawks, stopping 34 of 37 shots en route to a 4-3 OT win at home.

Soderblom's body of work this season has left a lot to be desired for the Hawks. However, his play against the Toronto Maple Leafs has been something to behold. Over his career, Soderblom is 2-18-2, with a forgettable 3.87 GAA and a horrendous .881 SV%. However, in his first two career starts against the Leafs, both occurring this season, Soderblom is 2-0, with a sparkling 1.93 GAA, a sensational .932 SV% and a 5.88 goals saved above expected. His only two wins of the season & his NHL career so far have come against the Leafs.

Blackhawks goaltender Arvid Soderblom's numbers against the Maple Leafs are almost unbelievable

Hawks goalie Arvid Soderblom's career numbers are below average across the board; except when he plays the Maple Leafs. More here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

 

[Hellcat]

Hayes said it best, this team is not a serious team. If you are not playing to compete every night what are you doing? For the millionth time, Coaches control the ice time, they control the on ice product, this coach has no freaking clue how to manage the on ice product. It's like they just go for skates, cherry pick, have no concept of puck management.

 

[barilko05]

I'm not sure why everyone is shitting on Samsanov. The OT goal was pure horseshoes up the ass for Chicago. The tieing goal was all on McCabe. Who throws a blind pass to the front of your own net :30 seconds into a period when you're up by only a goal? Jebuz! If you haven't got a play, freeze the damn thing. No goalie should EVER be expecting that of your own D. Granted, Sammy should be wary of that kind of thing at any time with the yutz's he's got playing in front of him, but c'mon...

 

[Mess]

Hayes said it best, this team is not a serious team. If you are not playing to compete every night what are you doing?

I agree 100% with him and believe this team is built and assembled for entertainment purposes first and foremost.

By having Leafs high priced talent contracts, it allows for entertainment,and ability to charge top ticket prices for fans to see star players in actions in Leafs jersey, but in a salary Cap World its anti-productive when it comes to Cup competitiveness. 4 X forwards eating 1/2 your cap is not a strategy when winning in the post season is priority #1, but it works well enough during the regular season to keep a large amount of fans engaged and entertained and for it to draw their entertainment dollars $$ to put butts in seats for MLSE.

1/2 the Leafs salary cap combined for 0-0-0 points against Chicago and the team couldn't even beat the 31st overall team that finished last overall last and in full rebuild attempting to add another top 5 pick from this season in the next entry draft. This is the 2nd time this year Hawks have defeated the Leafs and thus swept the season series.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I agree 100% with him and believe this team is built and assembled for entertainment purposes first and foremost.

By having Leafs high priced talent contracts, it allows for entertainment,and ability to charge top ticket prices for fans to see star players in actions in Leafs jersey, but in a salary Cap World its anti-productive when it comes to Cup competitiveness. 4 X forwards eating 1/2 your cap is not a strategy when winning in the post season is priority #1, but it works well enough during the regular season to keep a large amount of fans engaged and entertained.

1/2 the Leafs salary cap combined for 0-0-0 points against Chicago and the team couldn't even beat the 31st overall team that finished last overall last and in full rebuild attempting to add another top 5 pick from this season in the next entry draft. This is the 2nd time this year Hawks have defeated the Leafs and thus swept the season series.

You said Treliving would change things. Are you now saying Treliving = Dubas?

 

[Da Mash]

Leafs have had over 100 pts or on pace with covid schedule since 2017-2018 and 95 pts the yr before and we are to believe Hayes?

The team isn’t serious?

Another mediot stirring the pot?

And fans believe this rubbish?

 

[Mess]

You said Treliving would change things. Are you now saying Treliving = Dubas?

Treliving really can't fix this until Tavares contract ends after 2024-25.

Matthews is re-signed already and Nylander is still TBD and Marner & JT have full NMC and can't be moved at present.

If the Leafs get Nylander re-signed for < $10 mil AAV or trades him or uses him as a own rental and then lets him walk are all still possible outcomes.

Leafs could begin 2025 season with only 2 double digit AAV contracts on the books with the cap going up $4-5 mil starting next season and a light at the end of tunnel of Cap Hell.

Treliving inherited these current core 4 contracts & it will take time and patience to undo and correct this if that is the PLAN. All that said as long a President Shanahan continues to support his Shan-A-Plan that includes keeping and paying all 4 then Treliving's hands are tied.

 

[Jojalu]

Personally I’m more concerned with effort than result. We know this team is talented, we also know they can’t put forth the effort consistently………

I can only say from experience that it is far too easy of a cop out to blame everything on effort when things are not working. It is actually very rare that athletes are not trying.

For a variety of reasons, over a course of the season no matter what, you just can't find your legs or have it some days.

 

[rumman]

I can only say from experience that it is far too easy of a cop out to blame everything on effort when things are not working. It is actually very rare that athletes are not trying.

For a variety of reasons, over a course of the season no matter what, you just can't find your legs or have it some days.

If you can't compete game to game, you shouldn't be wearing the jersey, this is the highest level of professional hockey, not a beer league.........

 

[horner]

It would be amazing to see what a guy like Tocchet could do for Matthews. It’s very clear he’s comfortable playing with Marner but I always maintain it’s the power game and dog on a bone tendency he used to have with the puck is his ultimate recipe for success. Success as in building on the Hart Lindsay Rocket season and dragging the Leafs closer and closer to the cup, not this Groundhog Day experience we’ve seen 2019-2024.

or cooper

 

[rumman]

Hayes said it best, this team is not a serious team. If you are not playing to compete every night what are you doing? For the millionth time, Coaches control the ice time, they control the on ice product, this coach has no freaking clue how to manage the on ice product. It's like they just go for skates, cherry pick, have no concept of puck management.

who really gave Keefe a extension?

 

[Mess]

It would be amazing to see what a guy like Tocchet could do for Matthews. It’s very clear he’s comfortable playing with Marner but I always maintain it’s the power game and dog on a bone tendency he used to have with the puck is his ultimate recipe for success. Success as in building on the Hart Lindsay Rocket season and dragging the Leafs closer and closer to the cup, not this Groundhog Day experience we’ve seen 2019-2024.

I agree 100% .. Leafs need a coach where "Tough love" brings out the best in them.

These players don't operate best with a Carrot but rather a Stick. IMO

Matthews could be so much more than he is today, under the right direction and guidance.

 

[Jojalu]

If you can't compete game to game, you shouldn't be wearing the jersey, this is the highest level of professional hockey, not a beer league.........

I don't disagree. My point is that is not what is happening to the degree you think it is.

I am not talking about a beer league. I am talking about college and pro athletes.

 

[Stephen]

I agree 100% .. Leafs need a coach where "Tough love" brings out the best in them.

These players don't operate best with a Carrot but rather a Stick. IMO

Matthews could be so much more than he is today, under the right direction and guidance.

When Matthews was drafted he was billed by Babcock as an “elite drive train” player. Since his Hart Trophy season I feel like he’s gone the way of younger Nylander in terms of pick and choose engagement level. Yeah, I get the wrist thing. But it’s also an effort thing.

Sometimes it’s all there in a shift. Sometimes he plays with power and straight lines, goes to the net. Other times it’s like an all-star game level of engagement, toy around with the opposition and not too worried about it. I’m worried it’s like the Fedorov curve where after he hit his peak in 1994 and 1996 he just wasn’t always into it.

 

[Hellcat]

Leafs have had over 100 pts or on pace with covid schedule since 2017-2018 and 95 pts the yr before and we are to believe Hayes?

The team isn’t serious?

Another mediot stirring the pot?

And fans believe this rubbish?

How many times have we made it past the 1st round in the last decade?