Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 1-5 to the LA.Kings. Another great game by Ritchie

[Ziggdiezan]

There is 1 league minimum player in the bottom 6....

The other 5 average to a 1.5 mill salary

That is fair but honestly most of those guys could be replaced with league mins with pretty minimal differences such as Kampf getting 1.5 million, Kase getting 1.25 million, Ritchie at 2.5 ect. The original point still is valid though.

 

[The Podium]

That is fair but honestly most of those guys could be replaced with league mins with pretty minimal differences such as Kampf getting 1.5 million, Kase getting 1.25 million, Ritchie at 2.5 ect. The original point still is valid though.

Kampf earned his money, if not more. He’s done his job effectively if you can look passed his lack of offense.

 

[Sniper99]

Such a Leafs fan thing to do in blaming Ritchie. He's stunk, no doubt, but there's over $40 million on the top 2 lines who barely produced tonight. Ritchie makes Holl type of money, not Marner, Matthews, Nylander and Tavares type money.

Didnt catch the game, did that $40 million even show up other than Tavares with his goal? or were the rest hanging out with Bieber somewhere?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Is this the Internets? Yeah mmm OK.

 

[ToneDog]

Yep, this one had loss written all over it.

I believe you called it but some simply dismissed it. I was expecting a letdown, but that effort was sad. Halarious seeing a couple of fanboys claiming Leafs outplayed the Kings in the first and then listening to Keefe's postgame comments.

 

[theTTC]

Didnt catch the game, did that $40 million even show up other than Tavares with his goal? or were the rest hanging out with Bieber somewhere?

No, they didn't show up to earn the paycheque. Wish us unclean fans could do that at work as often...

 

[ToneDog]

Kampf earned his money, if not more. He’s done his job effectively if you can look passed his lack of offense.

Not sure if true but I heard that line has not given up a 5v5 goal. Very impressive. However when your top 2 lines get shutdown by Kopitar and Daneault, would be nice if somebody from the bottom 6 could score a goal or draw some penalties.

 

[The Kessel Run]

Can't win them all...we were due for a "down" game. Important to respond on Wednesday.

 

[REALTALK81]

You don't think we had solid team D in 93? I most honorably beg to disagree, that 93 team D was rock solid.

If I remember correctly, Potvin's emergence was part of the reason they did so well. He and the goalies to follow (Cujo, Belfour) had to stand on their heads nearly every night due to shot counts. Just think of how many times you seen guys like Kenny Jonsson or all by himself against a two on one. If it wasn't for Gilmour, it would be even worse. Most of the other forwards would fly the zone too early.

 

[REALTALK81]

If you don't have that trait in you stars you need it in your bottom of the line up players.

Spezza-Simmonds-Ritchie
Kase-Kampf-Engvall

Sandin-Lilly-Dermot

Two guys - Spez and Simmonds and Kampf plays a defensive role, I have no issue with his game.

Only problem with that is the minutes those guys play. The other team only has to face those guys for a dozen or so minutes per game. You play them too much and your skilled players sit for longer than they should be.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Didnt catch the game, did that $40 million even show up other than Tavares with his goal? or were the rest hanging out with Bieber somewhere?

No, they didnt really show much. Matthews had a few decent chances but there wasn't much outside of the Tavares goal. It's pretty sad to get wrecked by a bad LA team that was also missing Doughty.

 

[Wiseguys]

Haven't celebrated a playoff win since 2004. Kids born on the day we lost that 2nd round, have their licenses now. LOL. This has nothing to do with 1 loss. It's over a decade of frustration.

Your still a rookie, I haven't celebrated a Stanley Cup win since 1967. Were talking decades of frustrations. You got along way to go for a playoff win. My time is limited for a Stanley cup win. I just hope I'm not in a diaper if they do win.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Kampf earned his money, if not more. He’s done his job effectively if you can look passed his lack of offense.

The zone start stats people have been posting recently are extremely misleading so I wouldn't say he has done amazing.

Let's look:
Offensive zone starts: 4
Neutral zone starts: 39
Defensive zone starts: 38
On the fly starts: 131

So he, like all players, start the vast majority of their starts on the fly.

Natural stat differentiate between starts and faceoffs:
Offensive faceoffs: 10
Neutral faceoffs: 51
Defensive faceoffs: 67

He definitely sees lots of defensive zone faceoffs/starts but he sees an equal amount of neutral zone faceoffs/starts and both are dwarfed by his on the fly starts. As a result he isn't starting in the defensive zone 90% of the time like people are saying. That ignores neuteal zone and on the fly starts which are critical

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Not sure if true but I heard that line has not given up a 5v5 goal. Very impressive. However when your top 2 lines get shutdown by Kopitar and Daneault, would be nice if somebody from the bottom 6 could score a goal or draw some penalties.

At 5 on 5 Kampf was on ice for 6 goals against while on the ice for 2 goals for. People are spinning his stats recently it seems

 

[Gary Nylund]

If I remember correctly, Potvin's emergence was part of the reason they did so well. He and the goalies to follow (Cujo, Belfour) had to stand on their heads nearly every night due to shot counts. Just think of how many times you seen guys like Kenny Jonsson or all by himself against a two on one. If it wasn't for Gilmour, it would be even worse. Most of the other forwards would fly the zone too early.

Potvin just got good enough so that we could afford to trade Fuhr (who was also very good of course) so sure we had goaltending, but we also had good team defence in front of the goalies.

I think you're thinking of later teams, I don't believe Jonsson was part of it in 93. IIRC we had 5 non-elite, but very good Dmen - Lefebre, Ellett, Macoun, Rouse and Mironov who we kept rotating and Gill was a really good "#6 guy. And when Pat Burns took over and Gilmour arrived, all the forwards played D as well.

I stand by what I said - that team was rock solid defensively. Think of it this way, we basically had only 3 players who were threats to score yet we came within an inch of making the finals. The reason we went as far as we did was because we played team D at a level we haven't seen since then.

Edit - link below to the final standings in 93. Look at how our goals against compares to the other teams and prepare to be impressed.

1992-93 NHL Standings | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[GrizzGreen]

Honestly wasn't that bad of a game... Matthews had lots of chances, just couldn't find the net. Lots of opportunities they just didn't convert on

 

[Enga Olly]

Yep.

Let's look at the Oilers.

Their top 3 most expensive forwards make a combined 26.5 million. They combine for 25 goals, 55 points.

The leafs most expensive forwards combine for 33.5 million. They combine for 17 goals, 34 points.

That's 7 million less dollars, and 21 more points. Yikes.

Your big guys have to show up every night in order for such cap management to work.

Of course Oilers big guys showed up in their four game sweep by the Jets as well, but sure the opening 12 game heater is the thing used for comparison. Anyone using the Oilers as an example of "how it needs to be done" is

Relax, it was a Monday night loss against a team in the other conference. Sure you want to win them all but ya can't. All you experts want to discuss climate change and use today's weather to make your case.

 

[REALTALK81]

Potvin just got good enough so that we could afford to trade Fuhr (who was also very good of course) so sure we had goaltending, but we also had good team defence in front of the goalies.

I think you're thinking of later teams, I don't believe Jonsson was part of it in 93. IIRC we had 5 non-elite, but very good Dmen - Lefebre, Ellett, Macoun, Rouse and Mironov who we kept rotating and Gill was a really good "#6 guy. And when Pat Burns took over and Gilmour arrived, all the forwards played D as well.

I stand by what I said - that team was rock solid defensively. Think of it this way, we basically had only 3 players who were threats to score yet we came within an inch of making the finals. The reason we went as far as we did was because we played team D at a level we haven't seen since then.

Edit - link below to the final standings in 93. Look at how our goals against compares to the other teams and prepare to be impressed.

1992-93 NHL Standings | Hockey-Reference.com

In 93 Potvin had 2010 shots against in 66 games. That's an average of 30 shots against per game. Agree to disagree but I wouldn't consider that rock solid D. With that said, I wish the Leaf teams to follow had that kind of hunger.

 

[egd27]

Haven't celebrated a playoff win since 2004. Kids born on the day we lost that 2nd round, have their licenses now. LOL. This has nothing to do with 1 loss. It's over a decade of frustration.

Licenses?

They have been through day care, 9 years of elementary school, graduated high school, and now have left home for college and university without ever seeing the Leafs win a single playoff series.

How's that for context?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

The EA sports voice just went off in my frontal lobe.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Of course Oilers big guys showed up in their four game sweep by the Jets as well, but sure the opening 12 game heater is the thing used for comparison. Anyone using the Oilers as an example of "how it needs to be done" is

Relax, it was a Monday night loss against a team in the other conference. Sure you want to win them all but ya can't. All you experts want to discuss climate change and use today's weather to make your case.

This is just further proof that this format of cap management only works if your big players show up every game (or at the very least, the vast majority of games).

 

[Mr_Fun]

Seems like the majority of the time there's pregame ceremony, the Leafs lose. I'm not sure how other teams fare, but the Leafs are generally dismal.

 

[Gary Nylund]

In 93 Potvin had 2010 shots against in 66 games. That's an average of 30 shots against per game. Agree to disagree but I wouldn't consider that rock solid D. With that said, I wish the Leaf teams to follow had that kind of hunger.

Yeah I dunno, I'd need the number of shots against per game for all the other teams for me to say how good/bad 30 per game is. And of course that won't tell us quality of shots etc.

Whatever, no point in arguing about it since I don't see how we can prove anything. I do remember having those 5 Dmen who played great for us, not saying it was generationally good or anything, then again, maybe it was generationally good for Leaf teams. That D core was talked about a lot as being super solid and Burns had the team playing good D as well, at least that's the way I remember it. Potvin was amazing for us but it's not like he was in a shooting gallery game after game either like some of our recent goalies have been.

 

[ACC1224]

Seems like the majority of the time there's pregame ceremony, the Leafs lose. I'm not sure how other teams fare, but the Leafs are generally dismal.

Good point. Another one coming up Friday, ugh!

 

[Enga Olly]

Seems like the majority of the time there's pregame ceremony, the Leafs lose. I'm not sure how other teams fare, but the Leafs are generally dismal.

I think this goes for a few teams, seems like the raising banner games have a bad rate of success