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thewave said:
Because he gets double coverage as teams half heartedly leave Mitch Marner alone on the perimeter.

Keep repeating this over and over never penetrates. Mitch Marner is not a good compliment for AM34 period. Especially in the playoffs.
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Which leaves JT and Nylander open, Mitch has scored 35 in the season too.

Anyways how did Ovechkin score all those goals, were teams just unaware he was a good goal scorer?
 
Martin Skoula said:
He had Green and Carlson at the other point that would make you pay if you overcommitted to Ovi.
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When they had Backstrom and Oshie, there was a ton of weapons on that PP, during their cup win, Ovechkin was more of a distraction that lead to the others scoring goals but then on occasion he would capitalize.

I think one of Toronto's best moves in the off-season would be finding a way to move on from Rielly and somehow getting Chychrun in.
 
Martin Skoula said:
He had Green and Carlson at the other point that would make you pay if you overcommitted to Ovi.
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Marner has scored 35+
Tavares 40+
Nylander 40+

Hell even Rielly scored 20+ which is more than Carlson ever scored. It's just excuses, McDavid went 2ppg in the playoffs, didn't he get doubled? Greats perform and Matthews never has, like the rest of them.
 
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thewave said:
He looks unwell these days. Drugged out, partying too much, autoimmune disease, other disease I don't know what it is but that boy ain't a normal looking dude as far as health goes.
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I've noticed this for years. For a guy his age, he looks strung out all the time. This is coming from a guy who partied very hard in his 20's and is not a professional athlete at the top of his game, I never looked this bad. The thing is, wouldn't MLSEL have some indication that this was the case? Which makes me wonder, does he have other health concerns, because yeah, dude looks like a zombie.
 
CincoHolio said:
I've noticed this for years. For a guy his age, he looks strung out all the time. This is coming from a guy who partied very hard in his 20's and is not a professional athlete at the top of his game, I never looked this bad. The thing is, wouldn't MLSEL have some indication that this was the case? Which makes me wonder, does he have other health concerns, because yeah, dude looks like a zombie.
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When you get hurt a lot, and there's enormous amount of pressure to return asap, the doctors might prescribe more than acupunture and tylenol.
 
TMLAM34 said:
I love Matthews and he’s the best player to wear the blue and white IMO but if this team gets knocked out of the playoffs in the first round again, hard to argue against doing a complete retool and shakeup and I mean trading Matthews and anyone on this roster for the right price. We need to get away from personal attachment to these players.
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Trading Matthews Impossible because A he has a full NMC

And B would be a profoundly stupid thing for Treliving to do you don't trade your franchise player in general but especially not if he's a center.

Detroit didn't wing shit until Yzerman was 31, or 32.

Ovechkin didn't win until he was about the same age as Yzerman.

Mcdavid is a year older then Matthews where is his ring?

"well he got to the finals." I don't care he lost.

Stamkos was about 30 before he won.

Mario did it a little quicker but even he took 7 or 8 years

Yes you get guys that win early like Sid, Towes and Roy but that's EXTREMELY rare.

most guys win later in their careers
 
NVious said:
Marner has scored 35+
Tavares 40+
Nylander 40+

Hell even Rielly scored 20+ which is more than Carlson ever scored. It's just excuses, McDavid went 2ppg in the playoffs, didn't he get doubled? Greats perform and Matthews never has, like the rest of them.
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Hyman and Kreider scored 50, doesn’t make them relevant in a conversation about players that are a threat from the point. 90% of Rielly’s goals were from pinches into the circles, he’s not a relevant threat from the point. McDavid gets double teamed, that’s how Bouchard puts up more than Rielly’s career playoff totals in a single run.
 
Martin Skoula said:
Hyman and Kreider scored 50, doesn’t make them relevant in a conversation about players that are a threat from the point. 90% of Rielly’s goals were from pinches into the circles, he’s not a relevant threat from the point. McDavid gets double teamed, that’s how Bouchard puts up more than Rielly’s career playoff totals in a single run.
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Both of those guys have outscored Matthews in the playoffs btw.

I guess Matthews needs other 50 goal scorers for him to have any success? Poor guy only has 2 40 goal scorers :(.

But if he needs so much help to do anything why does he want to be the highest paid player in the league?
 
NVious said:
Both of those guys have outscored Matthews in the playoffs btw.

I guess Matthews needs other 50 goal scorers for him to have any success? Poor guy only has 2 40 goal scorers :(.

But if he needs so much help to do anything why does he want to be the highest paid player in the league?
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It could be a 0 goal scorer as long as that point shot generates rebounds. If you’re getting double teamed the opposite point is the only safe place to go with the puck, if you don’t have an option that can force the puck on net quickly and consistently from there, you can’t punish the double coverage being out of position.

The only series we looked good offensively we were forcing the high tip which made Marner temporarily dangerous from distance and it dismantled Vasi, I don’t understand how this is a remotely controversial take.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Trading Matthews Impossible because A he has a full NMC

And B would be a profoundly stupid thing for Treliving to do you don't trade your franchise player in general but especially not if he's a center.

Detroit didn't wing shit until Yzerman was 31, or 32.

Ovechkin didn't win until he was about the same age as Yzerman.

Mcdavid is a year older then Matthews where is his ring?

"well he got to the finals." I don't care he lost.

Stamkos was about 30 before he won.

Mario did it a little quicker but even he took 7 or 8 years

Yes you get guys that win early like Sid, Towes and Roy but that's EXTREMELY rare.

most guys win later in their careers
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There was no cap back then so they could afford to add studs. The Leafs do not have that luxury because the core 4 are sucking up 51% of the cap.
 
Martin Skoula said:
It could be a 0 goal scorer as long as that point shot generates rebounds. If you’re getting double teamed the opposite point is the only safe place to go with the puck, if you don’t have an option that can force the puck on net quickly and consistently from there, you can’t punish the double coverage being out of position.
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So McDavid turns Hyman into Matthews, but Matthews can't turn Nylander and JT into Nylander and JT?

Again, if that's the case and Matthews needs SO much help, why does he insist on getting paid like McDavid?
 
TMLAM34 said:
I love Matthews and he’s the best player to wear the blue and white IMO but if this team gets knocked out of the playoffs in the first round again, hard to argue against doing a complete retool and shakeup and I mean trading Matthews and anyone on this roster for the right price. We need to get away from personal attachment to these players.
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Not happening Treliving moved our firsts for the next several years at the tdl
 
Current market value via the Athletic/NY Times (in millions):

(not including goalies)

Matthews: 13.2
Marner: 11.9
Tavares: 10.3
Nylander: 9.7
Tanev: 7.9
Knies: 6.6
OEL: 5.3
Rielly: 4.4
McMann: 4.2
Laughton: 3.9
Domi: 3.0
Holmberg: 2.8
Lorentz: 2.1
Carlo: 2.0
Robertson: 1.6
Patches: 1.4
Kampf: 1.2
Jarnkrok: 0.8
Benoit: 0.8
Reaves: 0.8

Line up with what everyone else is seeing?
 
Zybalto said:
Current market value via the Athletic/NY Times (in millions):

(not including goalies)

Matthews: 13.2
Marner: 11.9
Tavares: 10.3
Nylander: 9.7
Tanev: 7.9
Knies: 6.6
OEL: 5.3
Rielly: 4.4
McMann: 4.2
Laughton: 3.9
Domi: 3.0
Holmberg: 2.8
Lorentz: 2.1
Carlo: 2.0
Robertson: 1.6
Patches: 1.4
Kampf: 1.2
Jarnkrok: 0.8
Benoit: 0.8
Reaves: 0.8

Line up with what everyone else is seeing?
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I can’t comment on the new guys (Laughton, Carlo) but the rest is pretty normal

Only one thing that sticks out and that’s I think JT is too high, he should be around 8M

I’m also guessing a guy like McCabe falls between OEL and Tanev in this as that’s where I have him in our depth chart (#2)
 
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