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Agree Brad had a bad summer but it is not like he has been given enough time to build his "team". As many have said, the good thing is all his UFA signings were for one year, (Reaves is done and will be buried with the Marlies or on LTIR). The deal he gave Kampf looks bad but only for another year max.
 
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Am I reading this correctly that you are blaming Tre for Samsonov being shit? As if Dubas would not have signed him to at LEAST a 1yr deal if not more...
Caps look like they knew what they were doing when they threw him to the curb. Dubas gambled on him and won. Tre gambled on him and has probably lost. Good thing he is not married to him.
 
13-12-16 in 41 (60 minute) games, can't get much more average than that.

However, factoring in expectations, I would have to give them a D (not a fail, but very disappointing)
 
Caps look like they knew what they were doing when they threw him to the curb. Dubas gambled on him and won. Tre gambled on him and has probably lost. Good thing he is not married to him.
I agree that we gambled on him...my point is that there is no way that Dubas wouldn't have re-signed him this offseason. If anything...he would have thought he found a good interim goaltender while we wait on Woll and would have signed him to more than just 1yr.
 
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Except that's not true. We had plenty of cap space last offseason. The new GM decided to waste 17m on Bertuzzi, Klingberg, Samsonov, Kampf, and Reaves - none of which have lived up to their compensation - and trade away quality depth. Thank god our previous GM didn't abandon the future, and instead built up our prospect pool to provide the ELC depth that's currently helping to save us from those bad decisions.

He was an assistant GM primarily in charge of the AHL. He had no control over NHL UFA signings. The price was a result of how horrible that contract was, not the GM.
We likely go after Tavares and trade Kadri after his second suspension, no matter who the GM is, but the more likely outcome if we didn't is: we miss the chance to propel our team into the upper-echelon, takes steps back, our center depth is a joke, Kadri gets suspended every playoffs and sees his value plummet even further as we lose even worse in the playoffs, and we eventually overpay some 30+ year old middle-tier center long-term to play 2C.

His grandfather had coached the team 44 years prior, and his dad had interned, but the idea that he got the job on anything but his own abilities isn't really supported by anything.

And again, I don't really care what the Greyhounds did over a decade ago anyway. I care about what the Leafs do, and what the GMs do when they're here.

Just like any winning team, the Marlies had multiple contributors to their eventual success, but to say that he had nothing to do with it is inaccurate and doesn't change that he had AHL-winning GM on his resume. We didn't have "nothing but bad decisions" previously, and that's why we were able to build and maintain a top tier team through some very difficult situations.
Here is the breakdown of our roster:
Burke - Rielly (re-signed by Dubas)
Nonis - Nylander (re-signed by Dubas)
Lou - Matthews (re-signed by Dubas), Liljegren (re-signed by Dubas), Woll (re-signed by Dubas)
Dubas - Tavares, Marner, Jarnkrok, Knies, Robertson, McMann, Brodie, McCabe, Giordano, Timmins, Holmberg (re-signed by Treliving), Kampf (re-signed by Treliving), Samsonov (re-signed by Treiving)
Treliving - Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Jones, Benoit, Gregor, Klingberg (LTIR)

Our best contracts are a result of Dubas, and while Treliving did well with the cheap deals (Holmberg, Jones, Benoit, Gregor), outside of Domi, the significant pieces signed last offseason have ranged from disappointing to disaster (Bertuzzi, Klingberg, Reaves, Kampf, Samsonov), the lack of cohesive mix has played out as expected, we're left with holes, and that's the real reason we've taken a step back so far, not prior asset drain/cap mismanagement, or because we're finally getting ELC contributions (lol).
Mitch Marner was drafted while Mark Hunter was employed to oversee the draft. Mitch Marner was drafted from the London Knights where the Hunter brothers own and run the team. No matter how many times you and one other poster say it.....Mitch Marner was drafted by Mark Hunter.
 
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My review of the first half of the season goes like this:

Damn how are we sitting so pretty in the standings?

If we can improve in the second half that would be ideal.

That's it. That's my review. Out in the first round again? Probably but lets wait and see.

I’m not sure why anyone even engages in conversation with him. It’s disturbing the amount of pure nonsense he spews out, and I think he actually believes it
Who is "him"?

If you don't mind. He might be on my ignore list.

I can't imagine any reason to talk about Dubas, he's old news and whatever damage he did or didn't do, we move on from that.
 
...Haven't we only played 39 games? Feels weird to do a half-season review before we've actually played half the season.

He's right about a lot of it though.
What do you think will change in the next two games? I’m pretty sure it’s ok to asses them now
 
We're right where I expected us to be, so can't give a bad grade - in that fringe top 10 area, 8-12, where we've always been. But I have more faith in this roster than I did in the one we had 365 days ago.

We've clamored for change for five years and change is turbulent. We didn't get a core mix up or a new coach but that hasn't been available yet. We're tougher to play against, moving from the bottom to the middle of the pack, that's refreshing.

Take Bert for example, dude lives in the blue paint pissing off goalies and defenders, supports a lot of goals he gets no credit for - with his monster playoffs last year to boot. And people are trying to trade him for late picks after 40 reg season games. Like we haven't learned a thing in five years.

The golden road is closed for good, get used to it. We're moving in the right direction and hopefully the right opportunities come up so we can move to the top of the pack. It's going to be a bumpy journey.
 
I don't understand the hate for Gregor. Be specific what more do you expect from him in the role and the minutes that he gets?
I don't expect much from him at all. He's not an NHL-caliber player. He apparently fools some people with bursts of speed and the odd fluke goal but that's about it. 5v5 his defensive on-ice stats are worse than anyone but Kampf. If you don't care for advanced stats, his 5v5 GF% is below 30. You can blame the fact that he plays with Kampf, but McMann's had a similar role when he played and has not been as much of a liability. I don't know if you can read much into individual performances on the PK (other than that Kampf has been visibly terrible) but the Leafs are bottom 10 in the league now at 77% so what is there to give him credit for?

You can't expect 4th liners to set the world on fire, no, but last season Kampf was just about even in scoring chances and goal percentages 5v5 in even tougher deployments and cashed in on his reputation as a great 4th liner. Gregor is just... there?

Take Bert for example, dude lives in the blue paint pissing off goalies and defenders, supports a lot of goals he gets no credit for - with his monster playoffs last year to boot. And people are trying to trade him for late picks after 40 reg season games. Like we haven't learned a thing in five years.
Yeah I find it funny when people complain that the Leafs' forwards are too soft, not hardworking enough, etc. etc. and then want to dump Bertuzzi. It's disappointing that he isn't scoring more, sure, but he's doing plenty to get the puck to guys that are.
 
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Am I reading this correctly that you are blaming Tre for Samsonov being shit? As if Dubas would not have signed him to at LEAST a 1yr deal if not more...
Dubas would have signed him to a multi-year deal. The Leafs have to consider themselves lucky that Dubas is not in charge of this rebuild/retool.
 
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Dubas would have signed him to a multi-year deal. The Leafs have to consider themselves lucky that Dubas is not in charge of this rebuild/retool.
Not really sure why some people make up random hypotheticals based on nothing and then get upset about them.
 
Make the playoffs. That's all I care about and they're on track to do this. The team has too many flaws to be a favorite for the cup going in or president's trophy contender. Just get in and take your chances at that point.
 
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I don't expect much from him at all. He's not an NHL-caliber player. He apparently fools some people with bursts of speed and the odd fluke goal but that's about it. 5v5 his defensive on-ice stats are worse than anyone but Kampf. If you don't care for advanced stats, his 5v5 GF% is below 30. You can blame the fact that he plays with Kampf, but McMann's had a similar role when he played and has not been as much of a liability. I don't know if you can read much into individual performances on the PK (other than that Kampf has been visibly terrible) but the Leafs are bottom 10 in the league now at 77% so what is there to give him credit for?

You can't expect 4th liners to set the world on fire, no, but last season Kampf was just about even in scoring chances and goal percentages 5v5 in even tougher deployments and cashed in on his reputation as a great 4th liner. Gregor is just... there?


Yeah I find it funny when people complain that the Leafs' forwards are too soft, not hardworking enough, etc. etc. and then want to dump Bertuzzi. It's disappointing that he isn't scoring more, sure, but he's doing plenty to get the puck to guys that are.
Bertuzzi has never been a big goal scorer, but he was worth giving a tryout contract. Same with Domi. If they are in the playoffs by the trade deadline, great, if not, they can try to trade them.
 
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What's he making up? Dubas was prone to giving out sucker deals and we would be screwed if he threw a Cambell type deal at Samsonov.
He's claiming that Samsonov would have been signed to a multi-year deal, when there's literally zero evidence of that. It also contradicts everything he did while with us.
He was not prone to giving out "sucker deals", and goaltending especially was an area where he was extremely cautious giving out big money/term; especially to somebody unproven. He literally moved on from Campbell, so weird comparison.

Not to mention that beyond that, we also don't know how Samsonov would have done this season if Treliving hadn't tanked our team's defensive play.
 
This team is awful. They are going to miss the playoffs. Nothing more than a bunch of self entitled overpaid floaters. They don’t give a f*** about winning, just interested in sucking every penny from the MLSE wallets.
 
Claiming that somebody would have done something with zero evidence, and then attempting to support it by pointing to them doing the exact opposite is certainly weird.
You're being obtuse. Cambell got a 5 year deal in Edmonton and handcuffed the team. That was a distinct possibility given Samsonov's good numbers last year of happening to us. We dodged a bullet everyone but you seems to agree. Maybe if you weren't so obsessed with defending Dubas you would think about it from the team's perspective not your hero's legacy which is dubious at best.
 
Claiming that somebody would have done something with zero evidence, and then attempting to support it by pointing to them doing the exact opposite is certainly weird.
But Treliving, a GM, has tanked out defensive play? That’s a new one. The entire D (minus Benoit) are holdovers from last year, so not sure how that makes any sense.

Did losing Kerfoot single handily destroy the Toronto Maple Leafs? Wowzers
 

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