Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[Mess]

Only 3 teams decided to protect only 9 players (4-4-1) instead of 11 (7-3- 1).

Those teams were Nashville who also were forced to deal Ryan Ellis yesterday in addition to, in order to protect a young Dman like Dante Fabbro (D).

Tampa Bay Lightening who are in cap problems so they need to lose a forward to help them become cap compliant.

Toronto who felt it was vital to protect Justin Holl at the expense of 2 extra players being protected and simply so thin at forward that even after the addition of McCann still didn't have 7 forwards worth protecting to use the 7-3-1 option like most of the NHL teams.

 

[ULF_55]

also if you update the criteria to ppg (am using .3 ppg) then your list expands even more

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list for 0.4 ppg (around the same as kerfoot)
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I think Haulas and Wennberg would be on my list.

Some of those others are ancient, and very unlikely to be cheaper.

Danault is going to cash in big time.

Of course, Leafs would not be the only team looking at those players.

 

[zeke]

Yeah I'm guessing the leafs lose McCann then. Too bad. We're going to need another player like that.

It's pretty funny that the no-depth bad-contract leafs have exposed more valuable players/contracts than pretty much any other team.

Hopefully Seattle takes dermott.

 

[Kiwi]

You do realize Pittsburgh was going to expose Mccann as well right? That is the entire reason they traded him to us for pennies on the dollar. The fact people don't realize this was an insurance move yet absolutely blows my mind.

Insurance, for Kerfoot? the 3.5M maybe a center but looks better on the wing that is probably overpaid in our cap situation

We gave up assets to protect that?

 

[TheDoldrums]

I would not jump the gun so hastily on the brodie acqusition until i see him play agaisnt atlantic divisional rivals and then metro teams with campbell as the starter who has not been a starter in his entire career

so you're the guy who says some people just defend every dubas transaction

If you can't even give him credit for Brodie and Campbell than you are simply hating every transaction. Two sides to the coin.

 

[ULF_55]

I would not jump the gun so hastily on the brodie acqusition until i see him play agaisnt atlantic divisional rivals and then metro teams with campbell as the starter who has not been a starter in his entire career

Brodie has played top pairing minutes in the past, mind you he played with a good defenseman, not named Rielly.

 

[PromisedLand]

If the Leafs are not a contending team then obviously you don't worry about depth players, you rebuild the team and that means difficult decisions have to be made, not 3rd. liners.

Not sure why it is so difficult to understand mediocre prospects and 7th. round picks, that are not going to be contributing to the current team while the core remains under contract, aren't key pieces.

7th. rounders are important for the next iteration of this team, Carl Gunnarsson type of players can be had there. And yes Gunnarsson was a valuable NHL defender, but some Leafs fans refuse to accept that, because well maybe they don't understand or they have a single viewpoint about what a NHL defender MUST be?

I don't like to give up picks, or prospects, but I'm probably not expecting this team to accomplish anything, but I don't have to believe in this team, whereas coaches and management do.

Again, an unlikely prospect and a 7th. round pick are nothingbergers for this current iteration of the Leafs.

Dubas has been told he has to win now, but many, many fans, especially those who cannot stand him. Dubas detractors are full fledge win now fans, because he can only satisfy them by winning. Unless those fans are happy the team is losing because it justifies their position.

This is a now team, it's just a now team that chokes in pressure games. Mediocre prospects and players 3-5 years down the road won't change that.

Fair enough at least your position is clear. you think this is a win now team that can go the distance - at least that is what i get from your post.

My position is that this team isn't good enough. Our goal tending is suspect; defense am not too confident until we play the strong divisional rivals and metro teams.

We have seen the offensive production from both matthews/marner in the two playoffs in the row and i dont think they have what it takes especially marner to play in tight checking games and produce.

Given my position i dont think this team is good enough and we should not be throwing away assets even if they are 7th rounders.


Leafs need to attempt as many darts as possible for the bullseye at the draft i.e. a stud pick which we dont have anymore because dubas has traded most of them away

 

[exporta]

Im going to be disappointed if McCann never plays a game for us. I was stoked at the addition, thought he would have been great C depth and versatile forward.

 

[PromisedLand]

I think Haulas and Wennberg would be on my list.

Some of those others are ancient, and very unlikely to be cheaper.

Danault is going to cash in big time.

Of course, Leafs would not be the only team looking at those players.

In a flat cap somebody will cave . there is only so much cap to go around.

 

[trellaine201]

Can't wait for the FIRE DUBAS ! chants

His biggest weakness is contracts. And keeping and telling each of the big four he wouldn’t trade them. Huge errors.

 

[zeke]

Only 3 teams decided to protect only 9 players (4-4-1) instead of 11 (7-3- 1).

Those teams were Nashville who also were forced to deal Ryan Ellis yesterday in addition to, in order to protect a young Dman like Dante Fabbro (D).

Tampa Bay Lightening who are in cap problems so they need to lose a forward to help them become cap compliant.

Toronto who felt it was vital to protect Justin Holl at the expense of 2 extra players being protected and simply so thin at forward that even after the addition of McCann still didn't have 7 forwards worth protecting to use the 7-3-1 option like most of the NHL teams.

So the Leafs are in the same company as the lightning.

How awful.

 

[ULF_55]

Insurance, for Kerfoot? the 3.5M maybe a center but looks better on the wing that is probably overpaid in our cap situation

We gave up assets to protect that?

He looked a lot better in the playoffs, but I suppose he was playing 2nd. line and not the 3rd. line then.

 

[zeke]

I would not jump the gun so hastily on the brodie acqusition until i see him play agaisnt atlantic divisional rivals and then metro teams with campbell as the starter who has not been a starter in his entire career

Lmao. You are really going all in on pretending the Canadian division wasn't nhl worthy.

 

[PromisedLand]

so you're the guy who says some people just defend every dubas transaction

If you can't even give him credit for Brodie and Campbell than you are simply hating every transaction. Two sides to the coin.

go to the brodie thread and hell even go to the foligno thread (i.e. before i found out he was injured before acquisition).

go to last years UFA threads I have given dubas credit because he used UFA pool instead of throwing away picks.

I used to be a biggest Nylander critic; but as soon as Nylander produced something positive for the Leafs I shut my yap.

Campbell trade on the other hand I am not too thrilled or too down.

I was pissed at moronic trades for hutton and rittich though

 

[PromisedLand]

Brodie has played top pairing minutes in the past, mind you he played with a good defenseman, not named Rielly.

Atlantic division is a different beast. I will reserve my judgment for now.

 

[Brobust]

Im going to be disappointed if McCann never plays a game for us. I was stoked at the addition, thought he would have been great C depth and versatile forward.

Big 'f*** you!' from front office to the fans.

 

[ULF_55]

Fair enough at least your position is clear. you think this is a win now team that can go the distance - at least that is what i get from your post.

My position is that this team isn't good enough. Our goal tending is suspect; defense am not too confident until we play the strong divisional rivals and metro teams.

We have seen the offensive production from both matthews/marner in the two playoffs in the row and i dont think they have what it takes especially marner to play in tight checking games and produce.

Given my position i dont think this team is good enough and we should not be throwing away assets even if they are 7th rounders.

Leafs need to attempt as many darts as possible for the bullseye at the draft i.e. a stud pick which we dont have anymore because dubas has traded most of them away

I don't have a lot of faith in the top players on the team, especially the 1st. line. Of course, Kucherov and Hedman didn't win until they were veterans.

To me it isn't depth players I have a concern about.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Insurance, for Kerfoot? the 3.5M maybe a center but looks better on the wing that is probably overpaid in our cap situation

We gave up assets to protect that?

No? I am really not sure how you so badly misinterpreted my point but by god did you ever. If they take Kerfoot then Mccann slides into his role no problems asked(INSURANCE POLICY). If they take Mccann then we keep Kerfoot and from the organization all we lost from expansion is Hallander and 7th round pick. I can't believe how many times this has had to be repeated lol

 

[ULF_55]

In a flat cap somebody will cave . there is only so much cap to go around.

Yeah, but the Leafs aren't a team in a position to take advantage.

 

[Kiwi]

He looked a lot better in the playoffs, but I suppose he was playing 2nd. line and not the 3rd. line then.

That line bleed goals against

I'm still not sure the guys a center, we should of been doing everything possible to limit Seattle's choices and make them take him

 

[zeke]

Yeah, but the Leafs aren't a team in a position to take advantage.

Of course they are.

 

[Legendary]

I would have offered Seattle our whole team in exchange for us to do the expansion draft.

 

[PromisedLand]

I see what you are saying, the skepticism is just and I agree with it. This team still needs a top 6 winger or a top 9 Center, depending on where McCann plays, and a backup/1B goalie before I’d even classify them as playoff contenders, not even cup contenders. They’ll be above a bubble team but under where we need to be, so basically where we are every year since 17-18

think with the way that we are, we have to go in every year for Matthews. That is due to his shitty contract, but we have to live and make do with it.

I see the argument of no Hyman hindering Matthews and Marner, but i think at a lowball we can expect a 1.15 ppg from them. They’ve improved every year and skill usually shines in regular season and they will have to learn to get the puck, and the third guy whether he is a UFA signing or a guy on the roster will learn to play the role, he may not be as effective as Hyman but it’ll have to do.

Campbell is a question mark, so dubas should look to aquire a solid 1B who can play 35-40 games split with Campbell. This is a major issue we need fixed. We need two strong tenders, haven’t had that since…..can’t even remember.

The arguements made against your claim may also be due to the fact that management doesn’t want to ATTEMPT to make a big move. So I don’t know what else we are supposed to do apart from what we are right now. We have to make these type of moves. We have to bet on Campbell. We have to bet on the core. We have to bet on Robertson Liljegren sandin amirov.

The ALL IN scenario that we have going here is based on the core that goes into a shell during crunch time and a goalie that could be a one off. Campbell is far from a bonafide starter.

As for matthews/marner lerning to get the puck themselves; it would be a glorious day when that happens. One can only hope they do that and maintain the scoring pace or improve it. I just dont see it happening having watched all the games since Matthews was drafted.

I would happily eat the crow as long as it means Leafs success. But instad of repeating all I've said you know my position

 

[Nylanderthal]

I found it interesting that Vegas is excluded from the ED. So in a nutshell every other team loses a player and is slightly weakened. Keep doing what you do Gary.

Vegas also wasn’t allowed to share any of the expansion fee…. I’m sure bill foley would trade a player for a handsome cash infusion

 

[Gary Nylund]

So the Leafs are in the same company as the lightning.

How awful.

LOL you're hilarious. TB is a model franchise and we're the laughing stock of the league. Or what, does our decision re. who to expose to the draft give us another .0002 cups or something?