Proposal: Leafs-Flames

[Maukkis]

I pass as a Leafs fan. Yeah Bennett is the best piece in this deal, and obviously you want one of the 4, but Hamilton's ****, and Wideman is worse. It's trading 2 top 6 players, and a top 4 D for a great young top 6 forward, an overpaid top 6, and the worst contract in the deal..

No reason for the Leafs to do this.

Your valuation of Hamilton is... interesting. I mean, it's not like he outproduced Rielly last year or something.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I pass as a Leafs fan. Yeah Bennett is the best piece in this deal, and obviously you want one of the 4, but Hamilton's ****, and Wideman is worse. It's trading 2 top 6 players, and a top 4 D for a great young top 6 forward, an overpaid top 6, and the worst contract in the deal..

No reason for the Leafs to do this.

What is with people speaking on things they don't know?

Stop using the angry comments of Bruins fans after the trade as a way to value Hamilton.

He's better than most young D, better than 90% of yours, and arguably at the least on par without Reilly.

 

[Morgs]

Your valuation of Hamilton is... interesting. I mean, it's not like he outproduced Rielly last year or something.

Yes because points are everything when it comes to a defenseman. Especially an anemic team last season (where Rielly played much less on the PP), compared to a team who could score and where he played top PP minutes most of the season.

What is with people speaking on things they don't know?

Stop using the angry comments of Bruins fans after the trade as a way to value Hamilton.

He's better than most young D, better than 90% of yours, and arguably at the least on par without Reilly.

I've watched Dougie since his days in Niagara, and was always so jealous we traded the chance to pick him. That changed once I saw he's not really anything special.. Basically a better version of Cody Franson. Which is great as a PP specialist and a Top-6 5v5 defenseman (who can play in the top-4 decent enough), and you guys got him for a good deal. No downside for you, but we don't need more of those kind of defenseman, especially while trading Gardiner, JVR, AND Kadri.

 

[YennoItFlames]

I pass as a Leafs fan. Yeah Bennett is the best piece in this deal, and obviously you want one of the 4, but Hamilton's ****, and Wideman is worse. It's trading 2 top 6 players, and a top 4 D for a great young top 6 forward, an overpaid top 6, and the worst contract in the deal..

No reason for the Leafs to do this.

It's more like a kid with great potential, a top 3 dman and you know Wideman a RHD PP guy/bottom pairing, for sh*tdri a middle 6 guy, jvr top 6, and a #4(borderline guy)

This trade is so bad for the Flames, how about AM for Bennett? That's my offer, to your offer(OP)

 

[Morgs]

It's more like a kid with great potential, a top 3 dman and you know Wideman a RHD PP guy/bottom pairing, for sh*tdri a middle 6 guy, jvr top 6, and a #4(borderline guy)

This trade is so bad for the Flames, how about AM for Bennett? That's my offer, to your offer(OP)

If you think Hamilton is a top-3 and Gardiner is a borderline 4, there really is no reason to argue with you.

 

[tony d]

Seems right value wise but I doubt either team does it.

 

[YennoItFlames]

Hamilton is certainly better then Gardiner, and idc, don't argue with me, because you're over valuing your players, and under valuing ours

 

[Morgs]

Hamilton is certainly better then Gardiner, and idc, don't argue with me, because you're over valuing your players, and under valuing ours

Nice. Remember when I said "Bennett is the best piece in this deal".

Clearly under valued.

 

[YennoItFlames]

You under value Hamilton though, yes I recall you saying it was a good trade for the Flames, but if you're going to say Wideman is on the decline, look at all of his seasons, Jvr is declining, Bennett may have only got 39 points last season, but he's been working on his defensive play of the game, if you want 2 guys under 25 years old, you better be giving up 2 guys who are under 25, not older guys, we may be exiting our rebuild, but you're trying to take 2 important pieces of the rebuild, so no thanks, this deal is so bad for the Flames

 

[Gavy]

What is with people speaking on things they don't know?

Stop using the angry comments of Bruins fans after the trade as a way to value Hamilton.

He's better than most young D, better than 90% of yours, and arguably at the least on par without Reilly.

People do it all the time with leaf players. You're doing it right now if you think Hamilton is " at least on par with Rielly".

 

[Gavy]

Hamilton is certainly better then Gardiner, and idc, don't argue with me, because you're over valuing your players, and under valuing ours

Pot calling the kettle black lmao

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

People do it all the time with leaf players. You're doing it right now if you think Hamilton is " at least on par with Rielly".

Can you in any way back up the claim that Reilly is as extraordinary as leafs fans tell everyone?

 

[Gavy]

Can you in any way back up the claim that Reilly is as extraordinary as leafs fans tell everyone?

Ya I can. Remember the 2 tournaments that were played this summer? The one where Rielly played as the #1D for team canada and then team north america? How did Hamilton do in those tournaments?

Hahaha Hamilton " at least on par" with Rielly lmao

 

[Morgs]

You under value Hamilton though, yes I recall you saying it was a good trade for the Flames, but if you're going to say Wideman is on the decline, look at all of his seasons, Jvr is declining, Bennett may have only got 39 points last season, but he's been working on his defensive play of the game, if you want 2 guys under 25 years old, you better be giving up 2 guys who are under 25, not older guys, we may be exiting our rebuild, but you're trying to take 2 important pieces of the rebuild, so no thanks, this deal is so bad for the Flames

As I keep saying, we don't want Hamilton. Keep him.

I also said Bennett will take one of the top 4 (Matthews, Nylander, Marner, or Rielly), so obviously we don't want him either.

As I said before, the Leafs say no to the original deal.

 

[Ropesman]

Hamilton is not as valuable as Reilly in any form of reality. Any rational hockey fan knows this. Reilly is one of the premier up and coming Dmen in the league. He solidified that all spring and summer at the WHC and World Cup.

That's not to say Hamilton isn't a good player because I happen to think he is. It remains to be seen if he will develop into that stud 1-2 defensemen that he is expected to be, but he is still young and its to early to say he will not.

 

[Gavy]

As I keep saying, we don't want Hamilton. Keep him.

I also said Bennett will take one of the top 4 (Matthews, Nylander, Marner, or Rielly), so obviously we don't want him either.

As I said before, the Leafs say no to the original deal.

I'd love to have Hamilton . Only 23 and he's huge with a tonne of upside

 

[DJN21]

Leafs fan eh?

 

[Halla]

It's more like a kid with great potential, a top 3 dman and you know Wideman a RHD PP guy/bottom pairing, for sh*tdri a middle 6 guy, jvr top 6, and a #4(borderline guy)

This trade is so bad for the Flames, how about AM for Bennett? That's my offer, to your offer(OP)

I wouldnt trade AM for Monahan, Gaudreau, AND Bennett

 

[DJN21]

I wouldnt trade AM for Monahan, Gaudreau, AND Bennett

That's your first mistake. Giving up those 90 goals for matthews and his maybe 40 in peak years...that's how you win games...

 

[Halla]

What is with people speaking on things they don't know?

Stop using the angry comments of Bruins fans after the trade as a way to value Hamilton.

He's better than most young D, better than 90% of yours, and arguably at the least on par without Reilly.

this is the same guy who didnt get picked for team NA right?
probably because he is that bad in his own end.

Hamilton isnt even close to Rielly. hilarious to see the comments about how he is top pairing but Gardiner is a #4. a hero chart would make hamilton look like a schmuck

 

[Lunatik]

Ya I can. Remember the 2 tournaments that were played this summer? The one where Rielly played as the #1D for team canada and then team north america? How did Hamilton do in those tournaments?

Hahaha Hamilton " at least on par" with Rielly lmao

Patrick Roy played for Team Canada once in his career, Matthew Lombardi once played on the 1st line for Canada. International appearances and how players are used in them is hardly proof of anything.

I'm not saying Hamilton is better, or saying he is worse; but if you are going to argue at least use something that actually means something.

 

[TeddyBare]

this is the same guy who didnt get picked for team NA right?
probably because he is that bad in his own end.

Hamilton isnt even close to Rielly. hilarious to see the comments about how he is top pairing but Gardiner is a #4. a hero chart would make hamilton look like a schmuck

I hate hero charts but seeing as you brought it up, ill call you out on it.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

this is the same guy who didnt get picked for team NA right?
probably because he is that bad in his own end.

Hamilton isnt even close to Rielly. hilarious to see the comments about how he is top pairing but Gardiner is a #4. a hero chart would make hamilton look like a schmuck

You're going off of a team that didn't even pick Alex Galchenyuk?

And as above posted, hero charts hardly tell a full tale but what do ya know, Hamiltons looks pretty good. Weird how those advanced stats work, eh.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I hate hero charts but seeing as you brought it up, ill call you out on it.

One of them plays against top competition, one gets easy matchups.

 

[Gavy]

Patrick Roy played for Team Canada once in his career, Matthew Lombardi once played on the 1st line for Canada. International appearances and how players are used in them is hardly proof of anything.

I'm not saying Hamilton is better, or saying he is worse; but if you are going to argue at least use something that actually means something.

Just because you say it doesn't mean anything, doesn't make it so.