Proposal: Leafs-Ducks

sxvnert

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Bieksa??? BWAAHAHA. .....no.

Bieksa is the type of D that gets babcock all hot and bothered. Either that or Polak will be resigned again. Not a fan of either (would rather target a top four with those characteristics) but someone of that type will be in our top six next season. See Polak and Martin for evidence of that.

Bieksa @ 2m is more reasonable if WE MUST have someone like that in our top six.
 

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Bieksa is the type of D that gets babcock all hot and bothered. Either that or Polak will be resigned again. Not a fan of either (would rather target a top four with those characteristics) but someone of that type will be in our top six next season. See Polak and Martin for evidence of that.
And unless management are blind as bats....they are seeing the failure in those types of signings. Bieksa holds zero value unless there is added incentive. ...and even still, i pass.
 

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Ducks have been killing it for a while now at the draft table. I've always been impressed with their scouting department. Value wise I think kapanen is fair but he's still a boom/bust player. All the tools but his effort level has been a question mark in the past (although not recently).

I view this type of deal as the leafs needing to convince the Ducks (with an over payment) instead of the other way around. 4th in the west gives them all the time in the world.



I do agree but time is definitely on the ducks side. Lindholms contract status was the only unknown and now even that's been resolved.



That deal made sense this summer because of the internal cap the Ducks usually had and Lindholms contract but now I'm not so sure.

From a leafs point of view vatanen is another smaller D which may not fit into babcocks plans. Rielly would be the only top four D with a bit of size but not nearly enough to handle massive forwards on a regular basis.

Not sure the leafs and ducks are a match unless its a minor deal (Bieksa).
Oh ya i love kapanen i really wanted him at draft.

As for bieska... ill give him to you tommorow and ill even throw in your 2nd, pleasee take him
 

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Oh ya i love kapanen i really wanted him at draft.

As for bieska... ill give him to you tommorow and ill even throw in your 2nd, pleasee take him

There is no reasonable incentive you could throw in that would entice me into taking Bieksa. We already have Polak/Hunwick/Marincin as defensive black holes here.
 

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The same Leipsic who was a throw in in the Santorelli+ Franson deal?

It's just like with Carrick. There were just thrown ins at the start, but the moment they became Leaf prospects, they are sure fire thing with huge potential and immediate top 6/top 4 quality right now.
 

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It's just like with Carrick. There were just thrown ins at the start, but the moment they became Leaf prospects, they are sure fire thing with huge potential and immediate top 6/top 4 quality right now.

No....once any player hits TO, roster or prospect, they are instant trash.

I think the Leafs will stay the courseand try to upgrade the D in the offseason via UFA. They may move JVR at the deadline if the offer is right.
 

dracom

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No....once any player hits TO, roster or prospect, they are instant trash.

I think the Leafs will stay the courseand try to upgrade the D in the offseason via UFA. They may move JVR at the deadline if the offer is right.

No, there's a difference between not wanting a Toronto prospect for our more valued prospect and thinking that prospect is trash. Toronto fans think their prospects will always get the higher valued prospect/player as long as they take a cap dump back.
 

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Bieksa is the type of D that gets babcock all hot and bothered. Either that or Polak will be resigned again. Not a fan of either (would rather target a top four with those characteristics) but someone of that type will be in our top six next season. See Polak and Martin for evidence of that.

Bieksa @ 2m is more reasonable if WE MUST have someone like that in our top six.

No, he doesn't. :laugh:

Babcock is trying to build a dominant puck possession team like his Wings were. Bieksa is a possession destroyer. We need a defensive d-man, who can move the puck. Bieksa is not that. Also, I would much rather have Polak than Bieksa.
 

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So the proposal by the OP is a no go for a variety of reasons that do not need to rehashed here. But the fact of the matter is that the Leafs and Ducks have been frequent trade partners. A number of those trades have been mutually beneficial. The Andersen trade is just the most recent example. (It wasn't a "Steel"; it helps both sides! At least it seems that way for now.) That kind of history makes future trades more likely, IMO.

Furthermore, there does seem to be some synergy between the two teams with respect to assets and needs, Dmen and skilled wingers respectively. I think most proposals on this board are a sub genre of fantasy literature. I would be less surprised to hear that Santa Claus is actually an accountant living in Salt Lake City than to see most of them actually happen. But a trade between Leafs and Ducks centering around a Defenseman and a Winger of some sort would not surprise me at all.

If we could drop the attempt to score debating points for a moment, and resist the temptation to indulge in the "our prospects are better than your prospects" meme, it would be interesting to see some discussion of what that kind of trade might look like.
 
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Um. Kapanen is. Soshnikov is. Hyman is. Zaitsev certainly is.
Lol...we as Leafs fans see Hyman as a 3rd/4th liner...Over rated?

Soshnikov...gritty 3rd/4th liner...Over rated?

Zaitsev is playing 1st pairing minutes and on most nights has been our best D...Over rated?

Kapanen has been great in the minors,fans may over rate him.
 

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What about leipsic for montour?

I think prospect trades should be fairly even, like I said before your top end prospects are prob a bit above our top end d guys but your tier 2 players (bracco brown lespiec kapanen etc) are prob a little under Montour Theodore and Larsson.


Kapanen would prob be the 1 exception, who might garner a little interest but at the same time I prob wouldn't pull the trigger.
 

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So the proposal by the OP is a no go for a variety of reasons that do not need to rehashed here. But the fact of the matter is that the Leafs and Ducks have been frequent trade partners. A number of those trades have been mutually beneficial. The Andersen trade is just the most recent example. (It wasn't a "Steel"; it helps both sides! At least it seems that way for now.) That kind of history makes future trades more likely, IMO.

Furthermore, there does seem to be some synergy between the two teams with respect to assets and needs, Dmen and skilled wingers respectively. I think most proposals on this board are a sub genre of fantasy literature. I would be less surprised to hear that Santa Claus is actually an accountant living in Salt Lake City than to see most of them actually happen. But a trade between Leafs and Ducks centering around a Defenseman and a Winger of some sort would not surprise me at all.

If we could drop the attempt to score debating points for a moment, and resist the temptation to indulge in the "our prospects are better than your prospects" meme, it would be interesting to see some discussion of what that kind of trade might look like.

Oh yea I think Toronto is def a team we have a strong history of trades with, that are pretty beneficial all around(not including the draft pick ones due to the picks)... and I think there is a bit of space to talk, and def potential... I just think there is a decent gap between nylander/Matthews/marner and the rest of your forward prospects, and in between that decent sized gap is our top 3 defensive prospects.

Even the jvr for 1 of our nhl dmen still somewhat makes sense, but its kinda a waiting game a lot of teams need defense of all types and we are pretty loaded in that area so I think we may get pretty good value if we do end up making a move with a dmen.
 

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TO ANA: B. Leipsic (or Kapanen if ANA adds) + F. Corrado <--waived by ANA

TO TOR: C. Stoner + S. Theodore

Not interested. You want Theodore, I want one of the big three. We're not gonna give away Theo just to get rid of Stoner.
 

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