JackJ
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Successful NHL teams don't pay soft one dimensional forwards 64 million over 8 years nor do they pay middling defensemen 49 million over 7 years.
Successful NHL teams don't pay soft one dimensional forwards 64 million over 8 years nor do they pay middling defensemen 49 million over 7 years.
The day this organization trades Dion Phaneuf and Phil Kessel is the day the Leafs become a better team on the ice. Not only will the Leafs ship out 15 million in cap space, they will also receive depth, prospects, and picks for these players in what is quite possibly, the perfect time to rebuild with a strong 2015 draft right around the corner.
These 2 players epitomize the Leafs in their current state perfectly. Soft, easy to play against, and crumbling under any sort of pressure.
Kessel has 21 points in 22 career playoff games... Dion, I won't argue, though.
Successful NHL teams don't pay soft one dimensional forwards 64 million over 8 years nor do they pay middling defensemen 49 million over 7 years.
This doesn't even make any sense. Letang is being paid more and doesn't play an all-round game. Neither did Brian Campbell when signed by Chicago. This regurgitated argument that seems to pop around never had a shred of logic in it.
Guess what? Phaneuf got paid, because the market said so. You have a defenceman who can play in all situations. To expect him to post a GA On/ 60 of 1.50 with no two-way centre up front, poorly complemented at D is ridiculous. No one is expecting him to out perform Weber who interestingly posted significantly weaker advanced statistic metrics. Shea, by the way, is complemented by a much better D core and their forwards can largely play defence. Let's be honest here, assessing Dion's performance under this team is outright ridiculous.
Besides #'s, what has Kessel won in his life time? Ever? Besides cookies.
Letang is being paid because his offense was on a Karlsson level. You get paid in this league if you are dynamite offensively on D, or stellar all around like a Doughty.
Phaneuf is a step down in the Girardi category.
Which D in this league make 7 million?
So tell me, you're paying Phaneuf 7 million, what do you think his new role should be? I see only one role. Getting help sure, but he's still paid to be the anchor is he not?
Besides #'s, what has Kessel won in his life time? Ever? Besides cookies.
Besides #'s, what has Kessel won in his life time? Ever? Besides cookies.
Olympic silver in Vancouver and Olympic forward of the tournament in Sochi.
I said besides numbers which is basically that was all about since the US didn't win...
I'm just saying. People who win in the NHL, have won just about everywhere they go. Phil doesn't have any really notable wins on his resume. Not even in college or younger then that.
All I'm saying.
So now it's Kessel's fault that the USA can't match Canada's hockey development? Got it. Fully makes sense that a winger can win his team the Cup by himself.
When did I say it was Kessel's fault that they lost? I said besides numbers. I didn't say it's his fault they lost. Never once mentioned Canada either.
You said winners win where ever they go, yet no one from the US has won a gold in the Olympics from the modern NHL. If you're using this as a point in your argument against Kessel then I can obviously point out the enormous flaw in the argument.
Ugh not sure why I even bother. Letang's offense and Dion's are pretty much on par their entire career(dalthough Letang has injury history keeping him back), seriously, do you even look the facts up your pretending to know? Letang has a NHL career high of 11 goals and 50 points, Dion has a career high 60 points and a 20 goal season.
Great argument.
Letang is being paid because his offense was on a Karlsson level. You get paid in this league if you are dynamite offensively on D, or stellar all around like a Doughty.
Phaneuf is a step down in the Girardi category.
Which D in this league make 7 million?
So tell me, you're paying Phaneuf 7 million, what do you think his new role should be? I see only one role. Getting help sure, but he's still paid to be the anchor is he not?
When did I say it was Kessel's fault that they lost? I said besides numbers. I didn't say it's his fault they lost. Never once mentioned Canada either.
And it's pretty clear it's going to take more then Kessel to win the Cup. The players around him need to make up for his lack of everything else besides offensive production..
How long has that been a problem here? But then they go out and sign guys like Clarkson and trade for Bolland, and hope someone like Kostka or Holzer can just magically jump into the #2 spot.
You still didn't answer what Dion's new role should be. That was the response to the post. If you're frustrated it's because you seem to be taking it personal. What are we paying Phaneuf and Pittsburgh paying Letang to be then? Maybe Letang shouldn't be making 7 either.
Ugh not sure why I even bother. Letang's offense and Dion's are pretty much on par their entire career(dalthough Letang has injury history keeping him back), seriously, do you even look the facts up your pretending to know? Letang has a NHL career high of 11 goals and 50 points, Dion has a career high 60 points and a 20 goal season.
Great argument.[/QUOTE]
Do you look up stats?
Letang last 4 years 205 games 152 pts....
Dion last 4 years 276 games 133 pts...
So in 71 more games Dion has 19 less points.
No where near the same amount of offense....
Once Phaneuf is gone the team will instantly better. The losing culture and sense of entitlement will be gone.
I don't care if Shannahan gives him away and gets nothing in return. Just get him the **** out of here. He is a lazy #3-4 Dman.
Ugh not sure why I even bother. Letang's offense and Dion's are pretty much on par their entire career(dalthough Letang has injury history keeping him back), seriously, do you even look the facts up your pretending to know? Letang has a NHL career high of 11 goals and 50 points, Dion has a career high 60 points and a 20 goal season.
Great argument.[/QUOTE]
Do you look up stats?
Letang last 4 years 205 games 152 pts....
Dion last 4 years 276 games 133 pts...
So in 71 more games Dion has 19 less points.
No where near the same amount of offense....
Good job leaving out the years Dion played an offensive role like Letang does. When I say on par throughout their careers I mean at the same age. I clearly said on par their entire career and acknowledged letangs injury's holding him back from passing Dion, you can manipulate that as you wish.
If Phaneuf was traded and not replaced with someone as good or better, this team would have no chance at the playoffs. 3-4 defensemen? You clearly don't have a clue.
Sigh...
Letang got more money then Dion and he isn't close to as good an overall player as him, I'd say Pittsburgh is a successful NHL team.
Kane is getting paid 6.5 right now, a cap hit % greater then Kessel when he signed it. When he is a UFA he's going to get the same deal if not more depending on the state of the cap. I'd say the Hawks are a pretty successful team eh.
Great argument sir. You can argue that these players are different all you want (and I'm sure you will), but it doesn't change the fact that it's not really different at all. Letang may have a enhanced offensive skill set then Dion uses now, and Kane may have flashy stick moves but its the same damn thing.
The difference is they include those players in a larger core of talented players, the leafs didn't.