Carlyle on FAN590 right now. He said scoring chances were 18-12 in favor of Calgary.
He also said that they want to keep the chances against to under 10 per game.
He also said that they want to keep the chances against to under 10 per game.
Leafs are outshot...
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He's a +4, 2nd best amongst our dmen
The only dman on the team with more takeaways than giveaways
3rd most hits on the team amongst Dmen with 37, only behind Phaneuf with 40 and Franson 38
Plays the 3rd most minutes at about 19:30
Has more points than Gunner, Gardiner or Fraser
All for a cap hit of 1 million
Excellent value!
Hmm, seems like this is what the Leafs are counting as scoring shots.
It's exactly 18-12 in favour of the Flames.
Looking at the shots outside of that box...it's no wonder Bernier stopped them all. If he sees them, he'll stop them.
Even their incompetent goalie stopped shots outside of that box.
getting outshot but winning = ain't shook
who cares, like most have said more than half of teams shots on us come from 40 feet away. We're 10-4 - **** it. why can't we just be happy with that and not be upset that we aren't perfect?
who cares, like most have said more than half of teams shots on us come from 40 feet away. We're 10-4 - **** it. why can't we just be happy with that and not be upset that we aren't perfect?
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Those are such vague statistics
First off, Ranger is 5th in ice time at 19:41 behind Gardiner, Phaneuf, Franson, and Gunnar. So he only has more minutes than our rookie (Fraser is injured)
Im not sure why hits mean so much because they don't. Having less hits doesn't make a player worse per say. Every player has their own style
You also cant just look at giveaways but also missed shots. Ranger has fanned a ton of shots which have led to odd man rushes. He is also 2nd amongst defensemen in PIMs (Fraser doesn't count because he got into 2 fights and had a equipment violation, offsetting penalties).
Leafs are an odd team that suck you in with a shell defense then counter punch hard when you grow lax or overextend. People love to say "Rope a dope" but I prefer “Make Him Miss, Make Him Pay†from the boxing catch phrases.
p.l.f.
use the force
While people are busy looking at the shot totals but I know it's the quality of chance that the staff is looking at. That's what I look at to separate a good game from a bad one. I knew the Leafs didn't have a great game against Calgary based on the kind of saves Bernier had to make. They were out-shooting doesn't mean out-chancing. Against Calgary, both were one in the same.
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I shutter to think. I already feel bad for whichever goalie will be in net. Vancouver has the offense to make you pay if you allow them to skate around all night with the puck.
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I'm shuddering to think about what the Sedins can do with extended offensive zone time, like we've been giving to every team this season.
Even that game, if you go back and watch it on GCL or Hockeystreams or whatever, a few of those in-close chances weren't even all that threatening and basically just amounted to hacking away at a dogpile and hoping for a lucky bounce. Bernier still played great and kept us ahead all game, don't get me wrong, but it just goes to show you how the shot count isn't always indicative of which team is actually having a better game. I can remember plenty of occasions just in this early season where we were outshot 10-3 or something in the first period and yet still had the same number of decent scoring chances.Such a useless stat that it sickens me every time I hear them chirping about it. Add plus/minus to that list of misunderstood/useless stats.
How many of those shots are legitimate scoring chances?
Tonight's game might be the only exception:
http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/gamecast?gameId=400484428
Ranger is #3 in ES TOI amongst defenceman. Similarly, his SH TOI is fourth. Carlyle has been using him more and I expect that he'll be resigned at a low cap as well. He really wants to play here.
You call someone out for "vague statistics" then claim "Ranger has fanned a ton of shots which have led to odd man rushes"
Can you quantify that stat?
Pot meet kettle.
Glenn Isildur Healy
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Isn't his shooting % around 7%? That isn't far from the sustainable rate of 9-12%. He's not doing that bad and will only get better as the season progresses.
I heard Ferraro say that it reminded him of when he played for Atlanta at the end of his career.
"We played the reverse trap, we tried to see how long we could trap the other team in our own zone"
Glenn Isildur Healy
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I think its like 6.3%. Although its early in the season and Im not really concerned whether Ranger contributes offensively or not. But 16 shots and 11 missed isn't good
Im not giving up Ranger at all rather Im hoping he plays better
They only have one line. If Bolland and co. can shut down the sisters and Kesler, we win.
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Leafs should stop scoring so easily from quick attacks and extremely accurate shooting. That'll even out time of possession and shots on net ....
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I used to think that but if you go check out the Erik Karlsson thread (pick any one of hundreds) apparently it doesn't matter.
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I heard Ferraro say that it reminded him of when he played for Atlanta at the end of his career.
"We played the reverse trap, we tried to see how long we could trap the other team in our own zone"
Ferraro, a confirmed Leaf Hater, I just tune him out. (though I will say that is a funny line)
