Proposal: Leafs and Kraken

[Holymakinaw]

No one is saying you shouldn't have protected Nylander, but McCann is Seattle's MVP, and this entire thread is full of Leafs fans that have watched McCann play one game this season and believe he is a 3rd line player. If you look at his production with Pit and his linemates there with limited ice time, you can see his production is not a fluke.

You don't like the proposal, that is totally fair, but to pretend Toronto is getting a garbage return is crap. This trade makes Seattle worse, and depending on McCanns extension, I doubt I'd do it from Seattle's perspective.

LOL. No, Toronto would be getting garbage, for sure. McCann may be having a decent season, but it's an OUTLIER. He's a 35-40 point a year player and has never come remotely close to this year's output before in his life.

 

[Irie]

LOL. No, Toronto would be getting garbage, for sure. McCann may be having a decent season, but it's an OUTLIER. He's a 35-40 point a year player and has never come remotely close to this year's output before in his life.

McCann paced for 60 points and 27 goals (per 82 gms) last season playing 14 minutes a night almost exclusively centering a third line and not playing with either Crosby or Malkin.

Your assessment of him is uninformed.

 

[Holymakinaw]

McCann paced for 60 points and 27 goals last season playing 14 minutes a night almost exclusively centering a third line and not playing with either Crosby or Malkin.

Your assessment of him is uninformed.

Yeah, let's see if he can actually DO that once before hanging the 'ol "pace" thing on him, hey? To date, he's never exceeded 35 points in a season, ever. He likely will this year......good for him. Once he actually does something, it would make sense for people to start looking at him as though he is something. Right now, that does not make any sense.

He has 186 points in 397 career games and he'll be 26 in 2 months. His potential better "kick in" and stay there soon, man. Or else he's just part of a garbage trade offer.

 

[Mandalorian]

LOL. No, Toronto would be getting garbage, for sure. McCann may be having a decent season, but it's an OUTLIER. He's a 35-40 point a year player and has never come remotely close to this year's output before in his life.

The only garbage thing is your take.

Last season for McCann: 32 points in 43 games.
This season: 31 points in 44 games.

He has come "remotely" close to this year's output before in his life, in fact, he exactly did the same last season.

 

[Holymakinaw]

The only garbage thing is your take.

Last season for McCann: 32 points in 43 games.
This season: 31 points in 44 games.

He has come "remotely" close to this year's output before in his life, in fact, he exactly did the same last season.

And yet..........he's never scored more than 35 points in his NHL career. "Pace" is great if you can also actually do it at least once. Until you do, you're a 35 point player.

Besides, even if McCan suddenly is a 60 point player, it's STILL a garbage proposal, as Nylander is much more than that, as you can see by his "pace".

 

[Dr Pepper]

I didn't even notice Nylander at first.

Holy **** that's brutal.

 

[Irie]

And yet..........he's never scored more than 35 points in his NHL career. "Pace" is great if you can also actually do it at least once. Until you do, you're a 35 point player.

Besides, even if McCan suddenly is a 60 point player, it's STILL a garbage proposal, as Nylander is much more than that, as you can see by his "pace".

You want to discount pacing when the past two years were drastically shortened covid seasons. I understand that doing so helps your narrative in this debate, but you can't disregard that short seasons require "pacing" to compare to regular seasons.

If you take these last 4 season totals, he averages out to 26 goals and 51 points in 82 games, but those numbers are also misleading, as he played the majority of it on the third line getting very limited icetime and very little PP time.

If we look at Nylander's production when playing away from Matthews and Tavares, playing with guys like Marleau and Kadri and Kerfoot over that span, his numbers are crap.

Nylander is a fine player and he has more value than McCann, but to call McCann garbage or a flash in the pan is completely ignorant.

 

[Apex Predator]

Leafs easily pass. Nylander is significantly better than McCann. Holl fills the same kind of role Oleksiak does for less than half of the cap hit. Voit has been a great prospect for us.

Oleksiak is miles ahead of Holl.

 

[Voodoo Child]

No Beniers, no Willy.

Sorry, but also not.

 

[ACC1224]

Oleksiak is miles ahead of Holl.

This for sure and McCann is a decent player but Nylander is by far the best player in this proposal.

** It's always interesting when the OP never returns to post in the thread they start.

 

[notbias]

No one is saying you shouldn't have protected Nylander, but McCann is Seattle's MVP, and this entire thread is full of Leafs fans that have watched McCann play one game this season and believe he is a 3rd line player. If you look at his production with Pit and his linemates there with limited ice time, you can see his production is not a fluke.

You don't like the proposal, that is totally fair, but to pretend Toronto is getting a garbage return is crap. This trade makes Seattle worse, and depending on McCanns extension, I doubt I'd do it from Seattle's perspective.

They aren't getting garbage, but the value is heavily in Seattle's favor.

McCann's most common line this year was with Eberle/Johansson
and last year it was Zucker/Carter

not scrubs, pretty decent players.

McCann can both be good and not worth the same as Nylander, even with Oleksiak.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Deal doesn't make sense for Seattle. While they get the best player in the deal they become a worse team. Nylander is also a UFA in 2 seasons after this while Oleksiak has 4 more years of control and McCann can be signed long term. The only way this deal would make sense is if Seattle would then by flipping Nylander for a huge futures package, better than what they could get for each player individually.

 

[Morgs]

I usually block people who make awful Leaf trades either way, but man... this is so bad I have to assume it's a joke

 

[Irie]

They aren't getting garbage, but the value is heavily in Seattle's favor.

McCann's most common line this year was with Eberle/Johansson
and last year it was Zucker/Carter

not scrubs, pretty decent players.

McCann can both be good and not worth the same as Nylander, even with Oleksiak.

Let me clear up my statement. Hakstol has been playing McCann on the wing a lot for some reason (he is much more effective playing center), and when he is playing on the wing, his top two centers are Johansson and Wennberg.

I never once claimed McCann had more value than Nylander. I simply responded to all the Leaf fans claiming McCann and Oleksiak were trash. I understand why they decline the proposal, and I probably wouldn't accept it either if I were a Leaf fan and risk breaking up that PP chemistry they currently have. That said, I honesty believe that Toronto has a better chance of getting out of the first round if they make this deal.

Oleksiak has been rock solid defensively in the top 4, and McCann is a heart and soul guy that brings everything every shift. They are both guys that you absolutely want on your team in a long playoff series, imo.

I know Nylander was good last post season when Montreal's admitted entire game plan was to shut down the Matthews-Marner line, but I have to wonder if it was Matthews that went down instead of Tavares, would Nylander have still produced facing Weber and Danault every shift? I sorta doubt it.

 

[Morbo]

From a Kraken stand point I would certainly consider it, but I don't know if I would ultimately bite. Oleksiak has been very good for us, certainly a way better player than Holl and McCann is putting up better than Nylander-like goal scoring and is only 25.

Good proposal, though. One both sides would have to think seriously about even if neither side actually pulled the trigger.

hahahaha

you don't know if you would bite.

why do I click on these threads

 

[HockeyVirus]

The fact people are saying Seattle is like ehh is hilarious. Are you kidding me? This is a top line winger for a bottom pairing D and a guy who just got traded for a B prospect. IDFC he is putting up amazing goals, you know how many awful players have scored well on bad teams because they get the top minutes?

Unreal. If Nylander is dealt it's for someone a hell of a lot better than Oleksiak. This would have been like if Nylander was traded for Muzzin (who was much better at the time of trade).

 

[Cotton]

Maybe, maybe not. But the language of the message makes me think otherwise.

Because the ask is William Nylander++

 

[Pawbloini]

**If Oleksiak is willing to waive NTC to play in hometown**

To TML
Oleksiak
McCann

To SK

Nylander
Holl
Ty Voit

Seattle salary out $7.54 million
Seattle salary in $8.96 million

 

[Pawbloini]

My thoughts when posting were as follows. IMO the difference between the forwards were less than the defensemen. The Leafs trade from there position of strength to get the defence from both players coming back. They would also be in a much better cap position next year. Seattle is far from contending and they can use the current Leafs to get solid returns to build upon. They also get a B prospect. To the person that was suspicious as to why I didn’t post again, my pesky job got in the way.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The Seattle declining the deal folks crack me up a lot.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Because the ask is William Nylander++

I know Nylander is really good but a lot of players are putting him on a pedestal. Someone said that he is a top-5 winger in the league.

Also, if the value is not there for Toronto, I get it. But no point in calling our good players garbage. There is nothing positive that is going to come from this.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I know Nylander is really good but a lot of players are putting him on a pedestal. Someone said that he is a top-5 winger in the league.

Also, if the value is not there for Toronto, I get it. But no point in calling our good players garbage. There is nothing positive that is going to come from this.

Your good players aren't garbage. The proposal made by a poster with what looks like 1 post before making this thread was garbage

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Oleksiak has been rock solid defensively in the top 4, and McCann is a heart and soul guy that brings everything every shift. They are both guys that you absolutely want on your team in a long playoff series, imo.

I know Nylander was good last post season when Montreal's admitted entire game plan was to shut down the Matthews-Marner line, but I have to wonder if it was Matthews that went down instead of Tavares, would Nylander have still produced facing Weber and Danault every shift? I sorta doubt it.

He must have had his 'Come to Jesus' moment after being picked up in the expansion draft because that was the exact reason he's no longer a Penguin - he had the tools (including a great shot) but his compete and work ethic was inconsistent and downright terrible every playoffs.

Good for him if he's figured it out. Hope he continues to have success. But it's just strange reading that description of him based off of his time in Pittsburgh.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Kraken don’t have a player on that roster that can acquire nylander lol

 

[The Podium]

No one is saying you shouldn't have protected Nylander, but McCann is Seattle's MVP, and this entire thread is full of Leafs fans that have watched McCann play one game this season and believe he is a 3rd line player. If you look at his production with Pit and his linemates there with limited ice time, you can see his production is not a fluke.

You don't like the proposal, that is totally fair, but to pretend Toronto is getting a garbage return is crap. This trade makes Seattle worse, and depending on McCanns extension, I doubt I'd do it from Seattle's perspective.

17.7% Sh% ain’t no fluke