Proposal: Leafs and Flames blockbuster

[thehoffs]

Not a fan of either team but seems like they would be very good trade partners. Add that Treliving went from Calgary to Toronto and Michael Nylander played for Calgary this seemed to make sense to me. Not sure who adds but this reminds me of the massive Gilmour deal back in the day.

Calgary gets:

Nylander
Knies
Murray
2023 1st

Toronto gets:

Lindholm
Hanafin
Vladar
2023 3rd

Murray doesn’t happen.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He’s reportedly only willing to extend in the us so that’s not a realistic basis at all

Thats not accurate, he said he wants to play for an American team. Peoples minds change, obviously Toronto would get to talk to him before any trade would be made, and vise versa with Nylander

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Thats not accurate, he said he wants to play for an American team. Peoples minds change, obviously Toronto would get to talk to him before any trade would be made, and vise versa with Nylander

How is that not accurate ? He will only play in the us or American team . It’s the same thing . Could he change his mind ? Of course , but as thing’s currently sit it’s not a fit

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

How is that not accurate ? He will only play in the us or American team . It’s the same thing . Could he change his mind ? Of course , but as thing’s currently sit it’s not a fit

Where has he said he will only play for an American team. There's a huge difference between being closed an open minded on where you are willing to sign. For example, Giroux made it clear he eould only waive to play in Florida a couple seasons ago, Kane for the Rangers last season. Whereas Dubois was not interested in signing an extension with Winnipeg, wanted to play for Montreal, but was open and decided to agree to sign in LA.

Obviously if Hanifin is unwilling to waiver then a trade falls apart but he has never once said he would only sign with an American team. A lot of American players are generally fine with Toronto since it's so similar to American cities and as far south as northern California. We saw that with McCabe blocking every other Canadian team, and probably with the Matthews extension.

Also the argument can just as easily be made the other way. Nylander may have been born in Calgary but he left before he was even 3. His dad isn't exactly an idol there either like Iginla for example. Due to infantile amnesia I doubt he holds any sentimental value to the city at all. So he would have to be willing to be traded and sign there

 

[McJedi]

Who are they getting a 2024 1st from? Not that Flames would accept that

If Boston doesn’t own that 2024 1st round pick, I guess a 2025 1st, top 8 protected.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If Boston doesn’t own that 2024 1st round pick, I guess a 2025 1st, top 8 protected.

Ok and what else are they adding?

 

[McJedi]

Ok and what else are they adding?

nothing. That’s 2 mid/ low 1st round picks for rental Lindholm. For a real good rental like him, that’s more than enough. Flames have some, but not a lot of leverage here.

I have no skin in this argument. This is a value discussion. I’m not looking for one side to win or lose. This is what seems fair to me.

 

[DKH]

Hanifin home bought last summer is near Bruins training facility / Elias Lindholm is Bruins obvious target

They will have the room and money next off season

Whoever gets them going to have to overpower them they get to FA Boston going to be waiting

 

[Fatass]

Matt Murray
Nick Robertson
3rd round pick

Anaheim
4th round next year and 3rd round 24-25


The problem is that Toronto can not keephim he and Mathews willeat up almost all of the cap space next year.

Nylander to Chicago would not be bad justnot sure who you get in return

The return though will either be draft picks or so so players.

TO needs cap space

Yup. Expecting Nylander to be the key piece that returns a big value is foolish. His contract demands greatly reduce his trade value. Cslgary don’t want him at 10 per. It’s just way too much for him.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

nothing. That’s 2 mid/ low 1st round picks for rental Lindholm. For a real good rental like him, that’s more than enough. Flames have some, but not a lot of leverage here.

I have no skin in this argument. This is a value discussion. I’m not looking for one side to win or lose. This is what seems fair to me.

Huh? You think thats a fair deal? If Lindholm is made available the interest in him would be huge. He has no team control either so he goes to the highest bidder. It will cost more than a B+/A- prospect and a late 1st for him.

Flames wouldn't accept Sillinger and a protected 1st from Columbus, and that is already a better offer

 

[cannucky]

Yup. Expecting Nylander to be the key piece that returns a big value is foolish. His contract demands greatly reduce his trade value. Cslgary don’t want him at 10 per. It’s just way too much for him.

nobody wants him at 10 per or he would already be gone , the only Leaf player anybody wants in the deal is Knies , why would Calgary give up their #2 goalie , a first line center and a top 4 D man for this pile of spare parts ? Give your heads a shake boys .

 

[McJedi]

Huh? You think thats a fair deal? If Lindholm is made available the interest in him would be huge. He has no team control either so he goes to the highest bidder. It will cost more than a B+/A- prospect and a late 1st for him.

Flames wouldn't accept Sillinger and a protected 1st from Columbus, and that is already a better offer

We’ll see. I think Lindholm is available and I do agree there is a market for him. No idea how hot that market will be. But I’ve never said he wasn’t valuable. My idea of an offer is 2 1st rounders which indicates strong value.

If Columbus offered that, I’m surprised Calgary passed. If Lindholm gets injured, his value goes to zero and he walks as a UFA next summer.

Habs fans wanted a first for Monahan. He got hurt. They got nothing. But did resign him. Lindholm would leave as a UFA. He’d have many suitors that are better teams.

 

[Figgy44]

Huh? You think thats a fair deal? If Lindholm is made available the interest in him would be huge. He has no team control either so he goes to the highest bidder. It will cost more than a B+/A- prospect and a late 1st for him.

Flames wouldn't accept Sillinger and a protected 1st from Columbus, and that is already a better offer

I'd rather have Lindholm on a 8 x 9.5 than Nylander on a 8 x 9.5. Wouldn't prefer either, but Nylander I think is a wider margin. I'd give Lindholm the Horvat contract no problem.

If Columbus offered Sillinger and a 1st and nothing else, you take that and run. It's still currently the weird market where having that extra cap space is worth perhaps an extra asset to try and bully an extra asset below market value from a cash strapped team. (ie: Bjorkstrand situation Columbus had last off season).

However, in this market, I think we could ask for an add to a rental with a good contract and really swing for some interesting pieces you normally couldn't swing for.

 

[thehoffs]

nobody wants him at 10 per or he would already be gone , the only Leaf player anybody wants in the deal is Knies , why would Calgary give up their #2 goalie , a first line center and a top 4 D man for this pile of spare parts ? Give your heads a shake boys .

#3 goalie. Fixed that for you.

Calgary will trade Vladar for a 7th or future considerations prior to the start of the year.

The Flames executive team made specific promises to Dustin Wolf.

Wolf agreed he would play the first 2 seasons completely in the AHL and then he would be promoted to the NHL.

It’s really not worth Vladars limited value to piss off a goalie who could be a future Vezina winner all because you can’t trade Vladar.

My guess here and it’s just a guess.

Flames take a 2nd or even 2 3rd or 2 4ths for Vladar right now. His value is dropping closer to regular season

 

[Nanuuk]

Vladar is worth a 2nd. Why? Because he does not have a limited value. He has the skill and last year, his second in the league as a regular, was an anomaly for him. Just as it was for the team in front of him.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Vladar is worth a 2nd. Why? Because he does not have a limited value. He has the skill and last year, his second in the league as a regular, was an anomaly for him. Just as it was for the team in front of him.

I dunno how you can say if a guy who’s been a regular for only two years, that last year was an anomaly.

 

[thehoffs]

Vladar is worth a 2nd. Why? Because he does not have a limited value. He has the skill and last year, his second in the league as a regular, was an anomaly for him. Just as it was for the team in front of him.

Any player is worth what a team will pay for them based upon supply and demand.

In order to generate demand you would first need to have multiple teams interested in Vladar.

I believe right now there is limited interest from 3 teams. By limited I mean they are willing to see what he could become in a 1B or strictly platoon/backup role.

The team with the most interest is the Toronto Maple Leafs and it’s strictly because Treliving has this idea you must have goalies who are 6’4” plus to excel in the position.

Dustin Wolf WAS NOT Brad Treliving picks.

Dustin Wolf as well as 2023 6th round pick Yegor Yegorov were specifically picks that were fought for by the flames goalie coach and goalie scout team.

Both Wolf and Yegorov have the potential to be a solid 1/2 for the flames.

How Yegorov flew through the scouting ranks completely is something unusual. 6’3” Russian born English speaking goalie that has decent size and high end speed and athleticism.

I think more and more teams are discovering you find your #1 goalies in the 3-7th Rounds as you never know what you have for a good +3-4 draft years anyways.

Ironically every goalie the flames take in the 1st round and even 2nd rounds typically end up absolutely busting so makes sense you use the picks with no value.

That said anyone looking at Vladar also has a dozen other similar goalies to choose from with a lower cost of acquisition.

So no I doubt you get a 2nd for Vladar.

The very top end I feel is likely a 3rd and a 3rd for him.

I feel 2 3rd round picks is really solid value. When he was acquired I don’t think the team had the feeling Dustin Wolf would be top prospect in the NHL.

Sadly Calgary easily could have moved into the top 10 or higher in the draft in 2023 but the cost would be Wolf.

Outside of the top 3 this year there likely isn’t any prospects worth more as Wolf is viewed as a sure thing right now.

Vladar definitely is not.

 

[cannucky]

#3 goalie. Fixed that for you.

Calgary will trade Vladar for a 7th or future considerations prior to the start of the year.

The Flames executive team made specific promises to Dustin Wolf.

Wolf agreed he would play the first 2 seasons completely in the AHL and then he would be promoted to the NHL.

It’s really not worth Vladars limited value to piss off a goalie who could be a future Vezina winner all because you can’t trade Vladar.

My guess here and it’s just a guess.

Flames take a 2nd or even 2 3rd or 2 4ths for Vladar right now. His value is

dropping closer to regular season

Here let me fix it for you , he's #2 behind Wolf , I don't get why you would think that aging sieve Markstrom belongs anywhere but the same place the Leafs just placed Murray , permanent LTIR . The Flames need to find a way to be rid of his cap .