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Yozhik v tumane said:
William Nylander I feel at least tends to get exempted when talking about the Leafs' playoff woes. He might not have been great yesterday, but I don't think of him as a bad performer in important games.

One disappointing thing with Sweden is their lack of superstars. Ton of very good players, ton of good top-6 and top-4 players on NHL rosters, lots of versatility when constructing rosters, and Sweden has great depth of talent, but virtually no one who leads or could lead a great NHL team today. Had great hopes for Elias Pettersson, but the guy has had an extremely disappointing career trajectory.

I think all is to say, I don't know about Sweden being weak in terms of playoff performers, it's rather a case of what's reasonable to expect from all these good roster players who probably don't qualify as the lynch pins of a team's playoff success or failures. As well as some unproven guys on bad teams, I suppose.
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Good and interesting take. Thank you.
 
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Svedu said:
Russia have easily the best goalies. They can steal a game against anyone.

Finland and Sweden dont have goalies on that level. But Saros is capable of stealing games as well? If anything he's shown that plenty of times.
I also think UPL is a big riser. Lankinen got two games i 4nations. He will be third goalie at best in the end.

Markström concerns though. I thought he was Swedens number one but he has been very weak this tournament.

And while Russia have great goalies. Compared to Sweden and Finland the only ones worth mentioning are Kucherov and Kaprizov.
Ovechkin and Malkin on PP perhaps. Nothing more.
Russians have weaker D core than Finland even.
I think people are overrating Russia the most right now and their current ability.
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Sweden vs Finland on goalies im asking about
 
Eye of Ra said:
We are behind Finland, Russia, Swiss and Czechs and Germany right now imo. But saying we are worse than Denmark is too much like Santoshelper and other finns do.
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No one has said that Ra 🤣

And no one has stated you are behind Swiss or Czechia either, besides yourself 😁

Some are still sleeping and believing Russia are better than Finland and Sweden but i think they are wrong though.
 
Svedu said:
No one has said that Ra 🤣

And no one has stated you are behind Swiss or Czechia either, besides yourself 😁

Some are still sleeping and believing Russia are better than Finland and Sweden but i think they are wrong though.
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Santoshelper expected Danmark to win today.
 
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There are quite a few posters who like to put Finnish players on a pedestal at every opportunity, as if it’s some sort of personal “hot dog” extension. As a Finn, it’s honestly pretty embarrassing.

Mikkola has been amazing for the Panthers, especially with his offensive contributions lately, and he is nasty steady defenseman. Forsling is still the backbone of their defense—no doubt about it. He might be the most reliable player on that roster and most important skater, along with Barkov.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
Ullmark, Markström, Filip Gustavsson, Ersson. I give you 4.

Do Finland have better goalies then that?
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Saros and UPL are just as good as all of those you mentioned imo. Haven't seen Gustavsson enough.
Im a flyers fan and know that Ersson is not better than UPL for an example. I've seen UPL being huge plenty of times for a lousy Sabres.
Markström... I thought he could be the best but after this tournament i can't state he's any better than Saros, nor UPL in fact.
Perhaps Ullmark is the best? Haven't watched him this last season.

Blomqvist and Meriläinen could steal Lankinens third spot as well. We have some upcoming besides our top2 right now.
 
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Svedu said:
Saros and UPL are just as good as all of those you mentioned imo. Haven't seen Gustavsson enough.
Im a flyers fan and know that Ersson is not better than UPL for an example. I've seen UPL being huge plenty of times for a lousy Sabres.
Markström... I thought he could be the best but after this tournament i can't state he's any better than Saros, nor UPL in fact.
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Gustavsson is considered one of the best goalie in the NHL this season and 2 years ago. He has better procent than any Swede and finn. We will see how he is doing upcoming season.

Markström is legit good in NHL. I put more stock in that then a few bad games in WC. He can definitely be good in Olympics.
 
Eye of Ra said:
Gustavsson is considered one of the best goalie in the NHL this season and 2 years ago. He has better procent than any Swede and finn. We will see how he is doing upcoming season.

Markström is legit good in NHL. I put more stock in that then a few bad games in WC. He can definitely be good in Olympics.
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What do you think yourself? Do you think Markström is a lot better than Saros?
 
thomast said:
There are quite a few posters who like to put Finnish players on a pedestal at every opportunity, as if it’s some sort of personal “hot dog” extension. As a Finn, it’s honestly pretty embarrassing.

Mikkola has been amazing for the Panthers, especially with his offensive contributions lately, and he is nasty steady defenseman. Forsling is still the backbone of their defense—no doubt about it. He might be the most reliable player on that roster and most important skater, along with Barkov.
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Yeah and Forsling will be just as important for team Sweden. They dont have another D defending on Forslings level imo. They have good twoway D's and great offensive D's. It's like thinking Bouchard is good at defending because he produces numbers. Or say EK65 or Quinn Hughes.


But name one Russian D you consider being better than say Mikkola? Name one center besides Malkin who makes Sweden or Finland?
Before the tournament starts that's usually what fans do. Compare strengths and weaknesses. Because when the games are played, it's already too late to speculate at all.
Why do you think it's embarrassing? And still wanna join the conversation? Does not make sense?
 
Is it controversial to say Saros is comfortably the best right now? You only need one goalie. It's like when Lundqvist were playing, but the other way around. Back then, Finland had two or three goalies in the next tier, but who cared if you're up against Lundqvist? Now Sweden is stacked with good goalies, but I wouldn't place anyone comfortably in Saros' tier.
 
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Yozhik v tumane said:
Is it controversial to say Saros is comfortably the best right now? You only need one goalie. It's like when Lundqvist were playing, but the other way around. Back then, Finland had two or three goalies in the next tier, but who cared if you're up against Lundqvist? Now Sweden is stacked with good goalies, but I wouldn't place anyone comfortably in Saros' tier.
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He sucked at 4 nations.
 
Yozhik v tumane said:
Is it controversial to say Saros is comfortably the best right now? You only need one goalie. It's like when Lundqvist were playing, but the other way around. Back then, Finland had two or three goalies in the next tier, but who cared if you're up against Lundqvist? Now Sweden is stacked with good goalies, but I wouldn't place anyone comfortably in Saros' tier.
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Not at all. Respectable take. But i dont know if he's much better than the Swedish goalie right there when it will matter. But it's not like it's more certain that any swede will do better either when they face each other. That's why i was curious to hear Ra's own take instead of just mentioning plenty of goalies.

On the other hand, if UPL has some good games next year in the NHL i want him and Saros to play for it during the tournament. When Finland have won most of their WC golds are when Jalonen has coached and let them play for it.
 
ijuka said:
He sucked at 4 nations.
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Markström sucks every other season, Ullmark has gotten exposed in the playoffs, and I'm not convinced either Gustavsson or Ullmark are as great without their team support however as a Luleå fan who remember him coming up, I love how he's tracking at the moment.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
No but Filip Gustavsson is
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You are sleeping on UPL imo. The Sabres suck and especially Powers. Dahlin does not show up every game with good defending either to be honest.
Still, UPL has 7 SO in two seasons and 5 last year. If he bounces back and gets a couple more of those SO that will indicate, at least for me, that he's capable of stealing games.
Finland will have a lot better D's than Sabres and especially at defending.

And just like Saros UPL has the history of locking in and winning the WJC's while being one of the most important pieces in those teams.
I mean i would go as far and say that if Flyers dont draft Rimpinen i want them to trade for UPL because i believe he's underrated and because Sabres still have Levi coming up.
Then again, Flyers suck like the Sabres 🤣
 
WarriorofTime said:
It’ll be funny if Oilers win cup and all these bragging Finns are left hanging their hat on Kasperi Kapanen
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You are just a jealous Russian, understandable.
Which final is Ovie or Malkin playing in? Or Kucherov? No i meant Kaprizov. Oh, silly me.

Kasperi Kapanen is hot doodo* and wont make the Finnish team so dont you worry. He's not appreciated in Finland. But if he wins, im glad for him.

Bob is performing well though but it's not like goalies are a issue for Russians. It's your only strength compared to those other 4 😁
And yeah, two first line wingers. That's it.
 
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Svedu said:
You are just a jealous Russian, understandable.
Which final is Ovie or Malkin playing in? Or Kucherov? No i meant Kaprizov. Oh, silly me.

Kasperi Kapanen is hot doodo* and wont make the Finnish team so dont you worry. He's not appreciated in Finland. But if he wins, im glad for him.

Bob is performing well though but it's not like goalies are a issue for Russians. It's your only strength compared to those other 4 😁
And yeah, two first line wingers. That's it.
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Scroll through like last ten years of Stanley Cup champions. Prominent Russians annually. Malkin, Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Kucherov, Barbashev, Bobrovsky.
 
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