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LD Rasmus Dahlin (2018, 1st, BUF) Part 3

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He pretty clearly looks like a steady top 4 presence 3 games in. He is eating minutes well, not looking out of place in any way, and has been better than 4 of the other 5 d-men currently playing (not saying much but still).

Points will come. Sabres are loading up their PP1 with all of the power play time as its the only thing really scoring goals right now. Dahlin will get more time as he gets used to the ice more.

But at 18 - looking like a top 4 d already.... this kid is going to be very very good for a long long time.
 
I have literally zero concerns over Dahlin, he looks exactly how I pictured him. The offense will come when it gets more confident he he takes more chances, give him 20-30 games and he will be a top pairing guy maybe even a number one by christmas. His comparables (Doughty/Jones/Hedman) didn't produce much offensively in their rookie seasons either, he will probably outproduce all of those guys.
 
There shouldn't be concerns. Dahlin is a great player, but don't expect him to be a Calder winner. At most he'll put up 40 points in his rookie season. The points will come later.
 
Kevin Musto said:
There shouldn't be concerns. Dahlin is a great player, but don't expect him to be a Calder winner. At most he'll put up 40 points in his rookie season. The points will come later.
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The points will come when Buffalo can put a decent team around him, and they let him on the PP.
 
Hattrick Kane said:
The points will come when Buffalo can put a decent team around him, and they let him on the PP.
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They don't have him on the PP? That seems odd to me. Even if you want Risto (who I am purely assuming is there) I figure you would run with 2D, and then Skinner, Eichel and whoever else up front.
 
Look, I'm as high on Dahlin as anyone, but he's been underwhelming thus far. Yes it's early, and yes he's an 18 year old D, but the way Sabres fans have been propping him up in this thread, and singing his praises about ordinary things/things he just simply hasn't shown is laughable.

Of course he gets the benefit of the doubt though, and an 18 year old D being underwhelming early on is pretty much to be expected - no matter how talented they are. But don't be so sensitive when someone tells it like it is. He's been underwhelming/mediocre so far, big deal. He will be a great defenseman, probably sooner rather than later. But he's not there yet, and what rational person would expect him to be. Y'all need to grow some thicker skin.
 
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40 points is A LOT for a defenceman though.
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Ekblad won a Calder with 39.
If Dahlin continuous to play top 4 minutes, maybe creeps up to that 20 minute mark (he will) and puts up 40 points, that's an easy Calder choice.
 
Volica said:
Ekblad won a Calder with 39.
If Dahlin continuous to play top 4 minutes, maybe creeps up to that 20 minute mark (he will) and puts up 40 points, that's an easy Calder choice.
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Klingberg lost that same year with 40 points :(

Ekblad is younger though so. Dahlin at 40 points would be Calder worthy no doubt and someone like Pettersson would need 70+ points to top that at least
 
Kevin Musto said:
There shouldn't be concerns. Dahlin is a great player, but don't expect him to be a Calder winner. At most he'll put up 40 points in his rookie season. The points will come later.
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Five U20 rookie Dmen have put up a 39+ pt season since the lockout. Two won the Calder, another finished top three in voting
Zero U19 rookie Dmen have put up a 39+ pt season since the lockout.

If Dahlin hits 40 pts as a bonafide 18 year old, I think it would be tough to deny him the Calder. Especially given his apparent ability to immediately take Buffalo as a team to a level they have barely sniffed since the days of Afinigenov and Briere.
 
Garbageyuk said:
Look, I'm as high on Dahlin as anyone, but he's been underwhelming thus far. Yes it's early, and yes he's an 18 year old D, but the way Sabres fans have been propping him up in this thread, and singing his praises about ordinary things/things he just simply hasn't shown is laughable.

Of course he gets the benefit of the doubt though, and an 18 year old D being underwhelming early on is pretty much to be expected - no matter how talented they are. But don't be so sensitive when someone tells it like it is. He's been underwhelming/mediocre so far, big deal. He will be a great defenseman, probably sooner rather than later. But he's not there yet, and what rational person would expect him to be. Y'all need to grow some thicker skin.
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I just disagree. I don't think he's been underwhelming or mediocre in the slightest.
 
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I've attending 2 games and watched the 3rd. From my viewings he has been incredible. He always makes the correct hockey decision at the right moment. He has the best hockey sense I've seen in quite awhile. The offensive flair is definitely there, he looks like a forward when hes on the rush. The points will come, especially if Housley gives him PP1 time.
 
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Snippit said:
I just disagree. I don't think he's been underwhelming or mediocre in the slightest.
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Fair enough. I guess it depends on what standard you are holding him to. In terms of an 18 year old D playing significant minutes in the NHL, he obviously hasn't been mediocre. But, in terms of the generational, 1st overall pick, franchise altering talent he has been hyped as, I'd say he has. Most Sabres fans seem to hold him to the latter standard, which is why other fans are noticing discrepancy between what they are seeing, and what they've heard (hype). Meanwhile, it doesn't help that Sabres fans are losing they're minds and singing his praises every time he makes an ordinary, run-of-the-mill play.
 
Garbageyuk said:
Fair enough. I guess it depends on what standard you are holding him to. In terms of an 18 year old D playing significant minutes in the NHL, he obviously hasn't been mediocre. But, in terms of the generational, 1st overall pick, franchise altering talent he has been hyped as, I'd say he has. Most Sabres fans seem to hold him to the latter standard, which is why other fans are noticing discrepancy between what they are seeing, and what they've heard (hype). Meanwhile, it doesn't help that Sabres fans are losing they're minds and singing his praises every time he makes an ordinary, run-of-the-mill play.
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I mean he's not a top pairing defenseman out of the gate if that's what's expected of a "generational 1OA talent". Don't think anyone is touting him as that.

I think he's already a middle pairing guy though. Not just on the Sabres, either.
 
Snippit said:
I mean he's not a top pairing defenseman out of the gate if that's what's expected of a "generational 1OA talent". Don't think anyone is touting him as that.

I think he's already a middle pairing guy though. Not just on the Sabres, either.
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A lot of fans having watched him in the NHL this season, say that he is already the best defenceman in Buffalo.
 
Paxon said:
Unlike the preseason where he was trying to make things happen, which resulted in many errors, so far he's just been playing positional defense while making quick passes. He's very good playing this way already. Once he goes back to trying to make things happen he will really wake people up.
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Very encouraging to me that he learned from his pre-season mistakes. No overconfident recklessness in this player at all. He'll feel his way through what works and what doesn't, now that the games count.
 
Garbageyuk said:
Fair enough. I guess it depends on what standard you are holding him to. In terms of an 18 year old D playing significant minutes in the NHL, he obviously hasn't been mediocre. But, in terms of the generational, 1st overall pick, franchise altering talent he has been hyped as, I'd say he has. Most Sabres fans seem to hold him to the latter standard, which is why other fans are noticing discrepancy between what they are seeing, and what they've heard (hype). Meanwhile, it doesn't help that Sabres fans are losing they're minds and singing his praises every time he makes an ordinary, run-of-the-mill play.
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Nobody is "losing they're (sic) minds".

We're delighted to see Dahlin making "an ordinary, run-of-the-mill play" so early in his career and at so young an age. We'd be even happier if that routine, competent play rubs off on the rest of the d-corps.

None of us are concerned about him not meeting your lofty expectations 3 games into his rookie season. Stay tuned.
 
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People are overthinking this. If he was a fixture on PP1, he'd probably have point-per-game by now. What would Gostisbehere, Klingberg and Barrie produce without PP1 time? Look at Morgan Rielly right now.

Dahlin needs to play on the top PP with the best talent on the team to flourish and build some confidence offensively. It's absolutely criminal that the Sabres are burying him and he's getting nothing on the PP. He's the most talented player on the team.
 
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People are overthinking this. If he was a fixture on PP1, he'd probably have point-per-game by now. What would Gostisbehere, Klingberg and Barrie produce without PP1 time? Look at Morgan Rielly right now.

Dahlin needs to play on the top PP with the best talent on the team to flourish and build some confidence offensively. It's absolutely criminal that the Sabres are burying him and he's getting nothing on the PP. He's the most talented player on the team.
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If I remember correctly the Sabres PP1 has been at the top of the league (or close to it) for the last 2 years. Dahlin wasn't going to replace RoR, and Risto does well at the top of the umbrella.

It's only been a few games. I expect Dahlin will still score around 30 points this year and maybe 10 will be PP. He may get time on that top unit as the year goes on
 
Boxscore said:
People are overthinking this. If he was a fixture on PP1, he'd probably have point-per-game by now. What would Gostisbehere, Klingberg and Barrie produce without PP1 time? Look at Morgan Rielly right now.

Dahlin needs to play on the top PP with the best talent on the team to flourish and build some confidence offensively. It's absolutely criminal that the Sabres are burying him and he's getting nothing on the PP. He's the most talented player on the team.
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I agree. It's tough for dmen to produce all that much without top PP time. Carlson is another notable one. Dahlin needs to be seeing top PP unit time and I'm not even a Sabres fan but it irritates me that he isn't on there. Is can't they just remove Okposo or someone and roll with 2 dmen if it's that big of a deal like come on
 
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I agree. It's tough for dmen to produce all that much without top PP time. Carlson is another notable one. Dahlin needs to be seeing top PP unit time and I'm not even a Sabres fan but it irritates me that he isn't on there. Is can't they just remove Okposo or someone and roll with 2 dmen if it's that big of a deal like come on
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These are men (with egos), no coach is going to kick a veteran off the top PP unit for a rookie right off the bat. He will have to earn it, and I'm sure he will soon.
 
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Garbageyuk said:
These are men (with egos), no coach is going to kick a veteran off the top PP unit for a rookie right off the bat. He will have to earn it, and I'm sure he will soon.
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He better hope the first powerplay unit starts to struggle though
 

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