LD Rasmus Dahlin (2018, 1st, BUF) Part 3

[VictorLustig]

So he just became the 6th youngest D-man to record a point since 1987 and he's having a bad start statistically? Imagine how bad Heiskanen and Kotkaniemi have been

He was excellent against Colorado. Highlight was him stopping Mckinnon in full flight in the 2nd period.

 

[DDRhockey]

So he just became the 6th youngest D-man to record a point since 1987 and he's having a bad start statistically? Imagine how bad Heiskanen and Kotkaniemi have been

He was excellent against Colorado. Highlight was him stopping Mckinnon in full flight in the 2nd period.

defensemen should only be able to put up points according to hfboards, and when they do ala erik karlsson he should play more defense.

you can never win

 

[Smeagoal]

defensemen should only be able to put up points according to hfboards, and when they do ala erik karlsson he should play more defense.

you can never win

According to Hfboards ...

losing battle right there.

 

[Mauler]

Surprised about how good he has been in defence so far this season i know his offensive talents will show eventually i think when he has developed his slap shot he will become much more dangerous in the offensive zone… This kid will be an absolute beast in 4 years problaby one of the best in the whole league by then

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

People can watch the same game and come to a different opinion about a player. That's useless. Stats > opinion of some random.

Okay +1 in a 6-1 loss. Damn he’s good.

 

[KyleSeaBass]

Surprised about how good he has been in defence so far this season i know his offensive talents will show eventually i think when he has developed his slap shot he will become much more dangerous in the offensive zone… This kid will be an absolute beast in 4 years problaby one of the best in the whole league by then

He has a negative corsi, negative fenwick, negative +/-, more offensive zone starts than defensive zone starts and an even giveaway to takeaway ratio.

Don't forget he's also playing massively sheltered minutes and is supposed to be this generational D-man.

But tell me more about "how good he's been in defense."

Let's not even get into his half baked offensive game.

 

[Grub]

He has a negative corsi, negative fenwick, negative +/-, more offensive zone starts than defensive zone starts and an even giveaway to takeaway ratio.

Don't forget he's also playing massively sheltered minutes and is supposed to be this generational D-man.

But tell me more about "how good he's been in defense."

Let's not even get into his half baked offensive game.

It's really funny how the people bashing this kid are the new members in this board (I can see Ijuka again here bashing Dahlin). People that have not been through a development cycle before.... give these people a break guys... better to just ignore them.

Kid is 18 years old, I still remember the growing pains of Hedman.

 

[Edgelord]

It's really funny how the people bashing this kid are the new members in this board (I can see Ijuka again here bashing Dahlin). People that have not been through a development cycle before.... give these people a break guys... better to just ignore them.

Kid is 18 years old, I still remember the growing pains of Hedman.

I can clearly see the kids potential but honestly I expected more after being told he was the best D man drafted since player x or y

 

[Grub]

I can clearly see the kids potential but honestly I expected more after being told he was the best D man drafted since player x or y

Funny, this is the same thing many people said about Hedman. You said yourself you can see the kids potential. Kid is only 18 and its' only been less then 5 games.

See you're a new member here too. You haven't been here long enough to see a development cycle, you base your judgement on a 18 year old kid's first 4 games (proving my point). The people that were saying that he was the best D man drafted since x or y, are actually NHL scouts and NHL GM's, I think they know how to judge a players potential better then you.

 

[KyleSeaBass]

It's really funny how the people bashing this kid are the new members in this board (I can see Ijuka again here bashing Dahlin). People that have not been through a development cycle before.... give these people a break guys... better to just ignore them.

Kid is 18 years old, I still remember the growing pains of Hedman.

I wouldn't be so harsh on the kid if people weren't talking about him easily scoring 50 points this season, running away with the Calder, possibly being in the conversation for the Norris right out of the gate etc.

The kid's hype before the draft was enormous and lots of fans called him a generational defenseman, so when you put that sort of expectation on this kid don't play the "he's still young and defenseman take a long time to develop" card.

He'll be lucky to put up 30 points this season and isn't going to be in serious contention for the Calder.

Dahlin obviously has a ton of potential, but he's still very much a work in progress and nowhere near this guaranteed franchise player people were pegging him to be before the draft.

Nothing is certain about this kid and with the track record Buffalo has with it's development of their top prospects things aren't nearly as bright as they seem.

 

[Edgelord]

Funny, this is the same thing many people said about Hedman. You said yourself you can see the kids potential. Kid is only 18 and its' only been less then 5 games.

See you're a new member here too. You haven't been here long enough to see a development cycle, you base your judgement on a 18 year old kid's first 4 games (proving my point). The people that were saying that he was the best D man drafted since x or y, are actually NHL scouts and NHL GM's, I think they know how to judge a players potential better then you.

don't let my member date fool you, I have been lurking for a long time before I joined. I was there for "This is out house" ,ESPN knows hockey, the Luongo to Toronto part million threads. I have witnessed a ton of development cycles. I have been a hockey fan all my life. From birth in 78 right to 93 I was all Habs then in 93 #93 converted me to the Leafs. From 93-98 I was into hockey but not watching every game then in 99 I became a die hard. Haven't missed a game since 99

 

[Grub]

don't let my member date fool you, I have been lurking for a long time before I joined. I was there for "This is out house" ,ESPN knows hockey, the Luongo to Toronto part million threads. I have witnessed a ton of development cycles. I have been a hockey fan all my life. From birth in 78 right to 93 I was all Habs then in 93 #93 converted me to the Leafs. From 93-98 I was into hockey but not watching every game then in 99 I became a die hard. Haven't missed a game since 99

Then I apologize for my statement, and I apologize to anyone else I've generalized. I am just getting a little annoyed that people are judging him based on such a small sample size. There are so many factors involved here... the fact that he is still 18, the fact that this is his first season playing NA hockey... the fact that this is a new team... or the simple fact that it has only been 4 games..

Give him time and I can bet you that he will reach that potential.

 

[Grub]

I wouldn't be so harsh on the kid if people weren't talking about him easily scoring 50 points this season, running away with the Calder, possibly being in the conversation for the Norris right out of the gate etc.

The kid's hype before the draft was enormous and lots of fans called him a generational defenseman, so when you put that sort of expectation on this kid don't play the "he's still young and defenseman take a long time to develop" card.

He'll be lucky to put up 30 points this season and isn't going to be in serious contention for the Calder.

Dahlin obviously has a ton of potential, but he's still very much a work in progress and nowhere near this guaranteed franchise player people were pegging him to be before the draft.

Nothing is certain about this kid and with the track record Buffalo has with it's development of their top prospects things aren't nearly as bright as they seem.

Or maybe the fact that you're judging Dahlin based on a 4 game sample size. You've just proven my point again. You didn't think the Hedman hype was enormous too? He was considered the next Pronger... and he didn't look that great the first few seasons... 4 consecutive seasons of 20ish points before finally becoming that dominant Norris Trophy defender he was always projected to be.

Like I've said, you haven't been through a development cycle before to make a judgement. You guys are being vocal claiming Dahlin is terrible, while the rest of us are grinning with amusement.

 

[Edgelord]

Then I apologize for my statement. I am just getting a little annoyed that people are judging him based on such a small sample size. There are so many factors involved here... the fact that he is still 18, the fact that this is his first season playing NA hockey... just to many...

Give him time and I can bet you that he will reach that potential.

I have no doubt that he will be a great player, all that I am saying is I did expect a lil more from him so far. I am not making any conclusions re Dahlen any time soon.
I am curious what info I can find about 1st round D men playing straight after their draft yr. I have a feeling we will see N.A D-men coming out quicker and the elite Euro D-man taking more time.

 

[Grub]

I have no doubt that he will be a great player, all that I am saying is I did expect a lil more from him so far. I am not making any conclusions re Dahlen any time soon.
I am curious what info I can find about 1st round D men playing straight after their draft yr. I have a feeling we will see N.A D-men coming out quicker and the elite Euro D-man taking more time.

Look no further then Norris Trophy winner Victor Hedman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-battle-for-number-one-victor-hedman/

With his enormous size, he is currently being compared to current NHL defensemen Chris Pronger and Zdeno Chara..

You guys don't think the hype was big back then?

 

[VictorLustig]

I wouldn't be so harsh on the kid if people weren't talking about him easily scoring 50 points this season, running away with the Calder, possibly being in the conversation for the Norris right out of the gate etc.

The kid's hype before the draft was enormous and lots of fans called him a generational defenseman, so when you put that sort of expectation on this kid don't play the "he's still young and defenseman take a long time to develop" card.

He'll be lucky to put up 30 points this season and isn't going to be in serious contention for the Calder.

Dahlin obviously has a ton of potential, but he's still very much a work in progress and nowhere near this guaranteed franchise player people were pegging him to be before the draft.

Nothing is certain about this kid and with the track record Buffalo has with it's development of their top prospects things aren't nearly as bright as they seem.

Uhh who?

Just to get some perspective: If Dahlin scores 21 points this season, that would put him top 10 all time for his age and position. The equivalent for a forward would be 65 points. 30 points by Dahlin would put him 7th all time, roughly a 70 point season for a forward. That's just points, completely ignoring the defensive aspect.

 

[Edgelord]

Look no further then Norris Trophy winner Victor Hedman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-battle-for-number-one-victor-hedman/


You guys don't think the hype was big back then?

Frankly I am surprised that the top Euro D prospects don't come over to play in N.A 1-2 yrs pre draft.

 

[The Norris Division]

It's really funny how the people bashing this kid are the new members in this board (I can see Ijuka again here bashing Dahlin). People that have not been through a development cycle before.... give these people a break guys... better to just ignore them.

Kid is 18 years old, I still remember the growing pains of Hedman.

There have been no growing pains with Dahlin. He’s been fantastic.
I have season tix behind the Sabres net and have seen every moment of all 4 games.
Uneducated posts like Seaa$$ remind me some posters are still in grade 5.

 

[Hokinaittii]

Funny, this is the same thing many people said about Hedman. You said yourself you can see the kids potential. Kid is only 18 and its' only been less then 5 games.

See you're a new member here too. You haven't been here long enough to see a development cycle, you base your judgement on a 18 year old kid's first 4 games (proving my point). The people that were saying that he was the best D man drafted since x or y, are actually NHL scouts and NHL GM's, I think they know how to judge a players potential better then you.

Is Hedman generational though? Let's be real here, everyone knows Dahlin will be a good one. The question is how good will he be compared to the massive hype he got. Right now it doesn't seem like he is that much better than anyone else young superstar defender who has entered the league in recent years.

 

[Aladyyn]

Is Hedman generational though? Let's be real here, everyone knows Dahlin will be a good one. The question is how good will he be compared to the massive hype he got. Right now it doesn't seem like he is that much better than anyone else young superstar defender who has entered the league in recent years.

He is. Very clearly.

 

[ZEBROA]

I dont have any expectations this year. Play good enough to stay on the team and get better over the course of the season. Never bought into the hype. But i expect some highlight plays over the season.

 

[BonAppleTea]

Yea I still don't understand how people can criticise him after 5 games where he was been very good considering age and position. Those "50 easy point" poster are what... 2 of 100 people writing about him throughout these threads?
He is playing on NA ice regularly for the first time, has to learn a completely different style and speed of game and is obviously freaking 18 years old. I have no doubt in my mind he will be a very very good player in a relatively short amount of time

 

[1972]

He still makes the odd bad play, but he’s a rock defensively already. I expected him to be bad defensively and dynamic offensively at this point in his career, and it’s almost been the opposite.

 

[CowbellConray]

If you are expecting an 18 year old to come in and switch around the advanced stats of the worst team in the league last year need to understand - your expectations are disappointing. You cannot put any player in that position and expect them to fix the situations.

Most Sabres fans said 35 points would be a good start to his career. Some may have wanted 45+ but we know the Sabres were one of the worst offensive teams last year. We did not expect him to be limited on PP time (which can be debated back and forth on if its a good decision) but most people here are understanding the situation. It's an 18 year old kid stepping into a top 4 role and playing what most would say "good" hockey through the first 4 games.

Take a look at Matthews 5 game stretch as a rookie from 10/27 through 11/3...
Thu 10/27
vs FLA
0 - 0 - 0 +- -1
Sat 10/29
@ MTL
0 - 0 - 0 +- -1
Sun 10/30
@ NYI
0 - 0 - 0 +- -2
Tue 11/1
vs EDM
0 - 0 - 0 +- -1
Thu 11/3
@ BUF
0 - 0 - 0 +- 0

Did anyone say he was playing below expectations? Maybe during this stretch but how did it turn out for him? Matthews is a top young player in the league.

And if people wanna grab advanced stats from that 5 game sample size for Matthews go ahead - and then come say Dahlin has been poor and will continue to play poorly the rest of the year.

I would as far as to say Dahlin has surprised me in many positive areas. His blue line defending has been spectacular - and I have been very very impressed to date. The points will come - I have not concerns over that. But his defense is miles ahead of what I thought it would be.

 

[BuffaloGooner]

He’s been so good that I don’t even think you can say “for an 18 year old rookie” in any sentence describing him. He’s straight up good. Lots of box score watchers in this thread, but it’s to be expected.