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thats even better, just send him down to juniors its not like Tampa would need him right away.
LD Mikhail Sergachev (2016, 9th, MTL; traded to TBL)
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thats even better, just send him down to juniors its not like Tampa would need him right away.
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Sergachev has all the tools to become an elite defenseman at the NHL level, I would say that he possesses higher ceiling than Drouin, I can envision him becoming the complete package who excels in all three zones. At the opposite, mainly due to his size, Drouin is more restricted in a purely offensive role. Sergachev has the size, the speed, the shot, the IQ and you can add to that exceptional work ethic, he is anything you can desire in a NHL Dman. That being said, Dmen take longer to develop, so are harder to project, he is going to become a good NHL player for sure, however reaching the elite status never is a guarantee. From Drouin side, he isn't as complete as Sergachev could be, however he excels more in his strengths, his offensive IQ and puck skill are completely off the chart, very few player can create offense like Drouin can do, if he could only put up half the numbers he did in the QMJHL at the NHL level, Drouin would be one of the most productive forward in the NHL (Last season in the Q: Reg. season+Playoff+MCup: 66-43-115-158 -50%-> 66-22-57-79).
All in all, it seems like a pretty even deal that makes sense for both sides with each team addressing one of their biggest need, TB got a bit higher ceiling in Sergachev and MTL got a bit more guaranteed value in a older and more proven young NHL player. Like for any deal, only time will tell who got the short end of the stick.
All in all, it seems like a pretty even deal that makes sense for both sides with each team addressing one of their biggest need, TB got a bit higher ceiling in Sergachev and MTL got a bit more guaranteed value in a older and more proven young NHL player. Like for any deal, only time will tell who got the short end of the stick.
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You've always been a hater about Sergachev. Like you know all about him. The kid is 19 years old. He was 18 when he played his 3-4 games in the NHL. Seriously, you have to hate a player to be such a dick about him.
As if he won't improve his urgency can be worked on. He's only 19 years old damn it.
Sergachev is one heck of a player. Great skater in all directions and plays a responsible two-way game. Can fill a shutdown role or be a dynamic offensive threat. This kid has extremely high end potential and I think the Habs will regret this one a few years in.
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Funny how nobody hyped Sergachev that much before Montreal traded him. Even Habs fans had to put water in their wine after the last season.
But eh, now that he is elsewhere, he is gonna be elite ! Keep up the bias, HF members.
But eh, now that he is elsewhere, he is gonna be elite ! Keep up the bias, HF members.
I've been on this kids side since the draft. That's why I think trading him for a winger will be a massive mistake. After watching him take another step forward this year, I'm fairly certain Habs fans are going to pissed about this deal in another 2-3 years.
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You're fishing for some sort of personal victim validation that doesn't exist.
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Tell me when the projection has been lowered under elite? Top10 picks are for the vast majority projected as elite NHL players, Sergachev has all the tools to become one.
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Top 10 picks aren't expected to be elite NHLers unless you have a fairly loose definition of what defines elite. In the 6-10 range you should be expecting a long-term top 6 forward or a top 4 defender. Only places to realistically consistently expect a top tier NHLer in probably in the 1/2 range on average. 3-5 should be top liner/top pair guy.
Sergachev could be elite, but being an elite #1 D would be above the average return for a 9th overall pick. Here is how I would breakdown the 6-10 range from 2005-2012 (past that is a bit early to judge).
Star (3)
Jakub Voracek
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Mark Schiefele
Top Line/Top pairing/Starter (5)
Derrick Brassard
Kyle Okposo
Logan Couture
Jeff Skinner
Hampus Lindholm
Top 6/Top 4/fringe starter (8)
Nazem Kadri
Mikael Granlund
Mika Zibanejad
Sean Couturier
Dougie Hamilton
Jonas Brodin
Matthew Dumba
Jacob Trouba
Middle 6/5th defender/backup (6)
Devin Setoguichi
Sam Gagner
Colin Wilson
Josh Bailly
Mikkel Boedker
Michael Frolik
4th liner/6th defender/flameout (13)
Gilbert Brule
Jack Skille
Brian Lee
Peter Mueller
James Sheppard
Keaton Ellerby
Cody Hodgson
Jared Cowen
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
Brett Connolly
Alexander Burmistrov
Derrick Pouliot
Slater Koekkeok
Outright Bust (3)
Zach Hamil
Nikita Filatov
Scott Glennie
N/A: Luc Bourdan (unfair to include or rate him, we have no idea what he would have become).
While its a bit early to grade Koekkeok and Pouliot, I'd think its fair 5 years after there draft is that they currently look like 5/6 defenceman longterm. They could exceed it, but let's just leave them there for now. 16 of the 48 became clear top 6 or top 4 players. Only 3 of them became clear elite players by my standards. Maybe a guy like Trouba, Hamilton, Lindholm, and Granlund make that jump full-time as they all had flashes last year. But realistically, you should be happy if you pull in a long-term contributor in the form of a top 6/top 4 player.
I'd add, there has been a recent boom in this spot in the draft, with maybe guys like Monahan, Risto, Nylander, Ehlers, Werenski, Provorov, Tkachuk, and Horvat all looking like top-line players and potential stars. But, its too early to cement them there outside of possibly Monahan.
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That's simply not true.
Most Habs fans had already anointed him as an elite #1D. Just look through some of the threads where other teams asked for him in a trade
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I don't think I have a loose definition of elite, though compare to me you might have a more restricted view of projected, hence the disagreement. I obviously know that most top10 picks don't become elite NHLer, though I believe that most of them have on draft day the ceiling of reaching elite status. It is like for 7th rounders, you don't project them to be borderline AHLer (which would be the accurate realistic average result), you project them as middle6F/bottom6F/bottom pairingD even though you know that in the vast majority of cases they don't reach the projections. When a team draft a player in the top10 they must be really high on that player, in most cases they most envision him, if development goes perfectly, that their player can become an elite player. I said in my analysis of Sergachev(on this page) that he has all the tools to become an elite player, but I also added "That being said, Dmen take longer to develop, so are harder to project, he is going to become a good NHL player for sure, however reaching the elite status never is a guarantee." I don't think I said anything unreasonable if we can both agree on what I meant.
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That's simply not true.
Most Habs fans had already anointed him as an elite #1D. Just look through some of the threads where other teams asked for him in a trade
Biased habs fan, yes. I call them homers. Never been high on sergachev. Just luke TT1 said, sergachev has a realy realy slow reacting time in the D zone even at the OHL level, he has a poor positioning but with a good coach that can be learned. His speed ks massively overrated. He has a slow start, decent average speed, very good at closing gap when he's in puck posession, realy good nd accurate shot. For my part i realy didnt like his mobility and slow reaction times, wich will be harder in the NHL. I realy hope the kid performs because he did look like a good kid who wanted to learn but in my opinion i barely ever say that from bergevin but i think we won this trade wich i even called the sergachev + 2nd in april. Maybe sergachev will make me say otherwise in a few years but i think he will become a decent top4 pp shot specialist! I liked victor metes game better who is actually a true LD LHD
For TB fans, I saw Sergachev at the development camp last year and I've never seen a guy with so much tools and potential. This guy will be a stud and a norris candidate. You have to give to get and I think we will see Sergachev in the top 10 d-man for years to come. The guy is incredible.
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It's exactly what happened with PK Subban. When in Montreal= garbage, hot dog, etc... With the Preds= semi-god, the new Bobby Orr and Larry Robinson wrapped in the same player !
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100% agree. This is what I specifically noticed when his team played the London knights, he was not the best dman in that series, far from it, some of us thought he looked like another Lucas sbisa. Physical defensemen bigger ten 90% of the players in his league and he was taking advantage of that.
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