Time will tell if he can be an allround defenceman or if he will be a PP specialist and a player put on the ice only when the faceoffs are in the opponents zone or if he can be a complete all situation player. His size will always limit him some as he will at times get outmuscled, but with good skating, stickwork, positioning and a good read of the game he can be a quality player in his own zone. Anyways you mostly will want a guy like Hutson to get to the offensive zone where he can control play and create opportunities. You just need him to not be a liability in his own end to be an effective overall player. Theres no doubt hes good in the offensive zone and already as a rookie are among the leagues best in that department.
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Larkin is a ppg player or damn near
Whatever clown posted that tweet really doesn’t know much about hockey
It's a Sens fan so I'm guessing he was looking for as many casualties as possible lol.
I think that’s where the “above average defensively “ talk is coming from
We saw a pretty good stretch of games (20-25?) where Hutson was “good enough “ defensively.
He has not been good period for the past few games. Is it a lack of confidence, fatigue, teams figuring him out or a combination of everything.
I still think he’ll be good enough with the right partner to form a very good first pairing
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Yeah moderator removed my comment calling out the salty sens fan's caption, but it's the best video I could find of the play. In the NHL and especially the playoffs, he will be very exploitable by bigger and faster players as demonstrated by Larkin.
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Matheson was the worst player on the ice that night, so I'd agree he's not the right guy for him
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How many empty net goals has been scored when Lane was on the ice?
Hell Celebrina is a -20 .I guess he's a liability when on the ice which must means he sucks defensively also.
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I guess players never have bad games. The Kid is in the Calder talk. That's good enough for me. His defense will improve but is really scary is his offense will also improve.
Too many extremists on both sides have pushed the discussion beyond where it should be. With a player like Hutson "good enough" is a solid place to start. His offense will almost always outweigh any defensive deficiencies and there is no shame in Hutson having some defensive struggles from time to time.
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Interesting clip to pick.
- Hutson got himself into position, forced his man to put the puck into safety.
- His man, Larkin, had first step and got behind Hutson, Hutson moderately took away most of his options.
- Suzuki comes in for support, leaves his man undefended. Larkin's only options are to push it back to the point of put it to the middle of the ice, he doesn't have ice to skate to and his cycle options are closed. He sees Suzuki's coverage is off and takes what otherwise would have been the poor option.
It wasn't a great play by Hutson but isn't an example of him being bad at d. An elite defender would've held Larkin and shut him down, most would've ended in the same position.
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You don't think letting Larkin go right by him while maintaining possession and then look for a pass is an example of a bad defensive play? Do you have a better example?
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Of the 6 motions of the play, Hutson only had 1 that was bad defensively on it, getting muscled as Larkin turned. He still limited Larkin's options and prevented Larkin from making an individual play, the goal is a result of Slaf (not Suzuki as I originally thought) losing his man.
Hutson wasn't great defensively on that play but people using that as an example of him being bad defensively likely haven't played hockey at any reasonable level.
Hutson did enough to limit Larkin's chances on that play, a great defensive player would have done a bit more. The play ended up in the safe zone with limited option available to Larkin, Larkin only had 2 options available to him (the point and where he passed to). Slaf losing his man was the bigger defensive issue on that play.
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He may have attempted to play it correctly, but he simply could not. You say 1 bad motion, but to me that just looks like he gets completely bodied out of the way in what seems to be a pretty repeatable manner and makes the entire sequence possible. Admittedly, Dylan Larkin is built solid and is fast, but seems problematic defensively if you can just dump pucks in on him and maintain possession consistently.
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This is a rosy way to view Larkin banking it off the boards, blowing Hutson's doors off, receiving his own bank pass, and then muscling Hutson off him like a small child before dishing it to Berggren for the goal.
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It took me this long to watch the clip and while I'm pretty tired of hearing the Hutson hype, that play is just whatever. These plays happens to defenders all the time, and it's not like Hutson's play lead to a breakaway or something, there was plenty of chances for others to stop that goal. Seems like people are just looking for him to make mistakes to counter the over the top hype.
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I've been reading through this thread. Some of the anti-Hutson takes are insane, and I'm not a Habs fan.
Here's a brief lesson.
A. Lane Hutson is the youngest regular defenseman in the NHL this season. People claim he's light or he's losing puck battles. Yeah, that's because he's supposed to be those things. Players that age and that size don't play in the NHL often, especially on defense. It says something about their acumen when they do.
B. Lane Hutson has been an adequate defensive player at every level of hockey he's played. He will probably be the same in the NHL eventually. He was on the shutdown pair for the USA at the WJC a year ago. The coach would literally put him out there when the team needed to stop other team's top lines. That's because he was viewed as good defensively comparatively to his competition level. His team won Gold, and he had a good tournament. He has done the same at BU and did the same at the NTDP. He runs around a little, so you have to understand he's not a "stay at home" defenseman, but for the type of defenseman he is a capable defender.
C. Lane Hutson is ahead of where Quinn Hughes and Erik Karlsson were defensively at the same age. I think some people don't remember where they were at that age. Or if they do, maybe they are conveniently forgetting because he's a Hab. Both of those players in their primes learned to be good defensive players (at least for a stretch). There's no reason to think Hutson can't do the same. Being big and tough and bad at hockey isn't all there is to defending in the NHL. Adam Fox, Cale Makar, Jared Spurgeon aren't 6'5.
D. I truthfully could not care less about Lane Hutson's defensive advanced stats. The Habs are not that good, to begin with. They're a young team. Their results are up and down. He doesn't have good defensive partners. He plays big minutes. Would be a lot easier to put up good defensive analytics if he was sheltered on a great team, wouldn't it? Further, some of the players who register good defensive analytics are actively bad defensive players, so defensive analytics can tell you a lot of nothing. Besides, judging young players on their analytics, let alone the youngest defenseman in the NHL, is completely stupid. Eye test for young players. You're looking for their potential and over time growth.
E. I think the truth is that Lane Hutson has some good defensive moments and games and some bad. He has some areas he's succeeding in, and some areas he struggles. It's not a black and white picture. We don't need to argue if he's good or bad defensively. He's probably not the best defensive player right now (don't think any or many have said as much) and he's probably not the worst (some of his analytics are bad, but again I truthfully could not care less as it's heavily skewed data). The discussions unfortunately devolve a lot into the gutter when this topic comes out. I think the discussions would be a lot more productive if everyone could just let the guy develop, and not feel the need for some "state of Lane Hutson's defensive game" after every NHL game he plays.
E. Do some of you not understand the "Lane Hutson is a rookie" part to this? This is his first season playing anywhere near as many games. Many of you claimed there was no way he'd even be in the NHL this year. He's been one of the best rookies in the league this year. Maybe take the L, and stop trashing him every time he has a bad game or stretch. The positives far outweigh the negatives.
F. I love the "Lane Hutson won't be successful in the playoffs" narrative some have crafted. It's what they can hang onto because their "Lane Hutson won't succeed in the NHL" narrative has been shattered. And the "succeed vs. not in the playoffs" stuff is not so easy to figure out. It's not a big=good and small=bad equation in the playoffs. Maybe if you want to lose round one it is. My favorite team has had two disappointing playoff performers over the last 10 years, Rick Nash (big) and Artemi Panarin (small). In other words, there's absolutely nothing to be found in that data. Nikita Kucherov is one of the best playoff performers of his era (small), and so is Victor Hedman (big). Yeah, the playoffs is different, but every single player, big or small, has to adjust their game for the playoffs. The ones that are willing and capable of finding ways to make adjustments succeed.
Lastly, go Lane Hutson! If you wanna call me a fanboy, I'm guilty. If you are hating Lane Hutson, there's probably something wrong with you. He's nothing but likable.
Here's a brief lesson.
A. Lane Hutson is the youngest regular defenseman in the NHL this season. People claim he's light or he's losing puck battles. Yeah, that's because he's supposed to be those things. Players that age and that size don't play in the NHL often, especially on defense. It says something about their acumen when they do.
B. Lane Hutson has been an adequate defensive player at every level of hockey he's played. He will probably be the same in the NHL eventually. He was on the shutdown pair for the USA at the WJC a year ago. The coach would literally put him out there when the team needed to stop other team's top lines. That's because he was viewed as good defensively comparatively to his competition level. His team won Gold, and he had a good tournament. He has done the same at BU and did the same at the NTDP. He runs around a little, so you have to understand he's not a "stay at home" defenseman, but for the type of defenseman he is a capable defender.
C. Lane Hutson is ahead of where Quinn Hughes and Erik Karlsson were defensively at the same age. I think some people don't remember where they were at that age. Or if they do, maybe they are conveniently forgetting because he's a Hab. Both of those players in their primes learned to be good defensive players (at least for a stretch). There's no reason to think Hutson can't do the same. Being big and tough and bad at hockey isn't all there is to defending in the NHL. Adam Fox, Cale Makar, Jared Spurgeon aren't 6'5.
D. I truthfully could not care less about Lane Hutson's defensive advanced stats. The Habs are not that good, to begin with. They're a young team. Their results are up and down. He doesn't have good defensive partners. He plays big minutes. Would be a lot easier to put up good defensive analytics if he was sheltered on a great team, wouldn't it? Further, some of the players who register good defensive analytics are actively bad defensive players, so defensive analytics can tell you a lot of nothing. Besides, judging young players on their analytics, let alone the youngest defenseman in the NHL, is completely stupid. Eye test for young players. You're looking for their potential and over time growth.
E. I think the truth is that Lane Hutson has some good defensive moments and games and some bad. He has some areas he's succeeding in, and some areas he struggles. It's not a black and white picture. We don't need to argue if he's good or bad defensively. He's probably not the best defensive player right now (don't think any or many have said as much) and he's probably not the worst (some of his analytics are bad, but again I truthfully could not care less as it's heavily skewed data). The discussions unfortunately devolve a lot into the gutter when this topic comes out. I think the discussions would be a lot more productive if everyone could just let the guy develop, and not feel the need for some "state of Lane Hutson's defensive game" after every NHL game he plays.
E. Do some of you not understand the "Lane Hutson is a rookie" part to this? This is his first season playing anywhere near as many games. Many of you claimed there was no way he'd even be in the NHL this year. He's been one of the best rookies in the league this year. Maybe take the L, and stop trashing him every time he has a bad game or stretch. The positives far outweigh the negatives.
F. I love the "Lane Hutson won't be successful in the playoffs" narrative some have crafted. It's what they can hang onto because their "Lane Hutson won't succeed in the NHL" narrative has been shattered. And the "succeed vs. not in the playoffs" stuff is not so easy to figure out. It's not a big=good and small=bad equation in the playoffs. Maybe if you want to lose round one it is. My favorite team has had two disappointing playoff performers over the last 10 years, Rick Nash (big) and Artemi Panarin (small). In other words, there's absolutely nothing to be found in that data. Nikita Kucherov is one of the best playoff performers of his era (small), and so is Victor Hedman (big). Yeah, the playoffs is different, but every single player, big or small, has to adjust their game for the playoffs. The ones that are willing and capable of finding ways to make adjustments succeed.
Lastly, go Lane Hutson! If you wanna call me a fanboy, I'm guilty. If you are hating Lane Hutson, there's probably something wrong with you. He's nothing but likable.
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