LD Lane Hutson - Montreal Canadiens, NHL (2022, 62nd, MTL) - Part 2

[CaviarAndRinkFries]

 

[TLEH]

You are just spewing what people intially thought and throwing shit and hoping it sticks. Even commentators were talking the other day that he is good on D. Always first one back. For a 20 year old, elite offensive player, his Defense has been pretty dman good.

You don't watch Habs games so how would you even know? And if you did, you clearly don't know much about hockey then.

The commentators that work for the team say hes good defensively so im going to flame anyone online who says differently.

 

[MoneyManny]

The commentators that work for the team say hes good defensively so im going to flame anyone online who says differently.

You used 1 made up advanced statistic (xGA) that is meant to be a team stat in a vacuum to tell us he's bad defensively. At least the commentators have watched the games, all you do is post a number that you don't even understand.

 

[David Suzuki]

The commentators that work for the team say hes good defensively so im going to flame anyone online who says differently.

which commentators work for the team lol

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

There's really no comparable to him in the league right now in terms of style of play.... He's incredibly cheeky , borderline disrespectful with how he attacks and baits guys with the puck on his stick. , its hilarious how nobody even pressures him anymore. Rookie 20 year old 5"7 dman going through guys like it's a beer league game, Its a little bit uncanny.

 

[Walksss]

People getting desperate to find reasons to hate on the kid. Outrageous positive impact in nearly every game and the engine behind the Habs recent success but HF mainboards: 'yeah, but what about his xGA/60?!?¿°¿°¿'

This guy is the current favourite to win the Calder, I know that might be tough to accept for some, but you'll get over it. There will be things in life that are hard to accept but we do it anyways because it's necessary.

 

[MoneyManny]

There's really no comparable to him in the league right now in terms of style of play.... He's incredibly cheeky , borderline disrespectful with how he attacks and baits guys with the puck on his stick. , its hilarious how nobody even pressures him anymore. Rookie 20 year old 5"7 dman going through guys like it's a beer league game, Its a little bit uncanny.

Hutson is NHL's Kyrie Irving.

 

[TLEH]

You used 1 made up advanced statistic (xGA) that is meant to be a team stat in a vacuum to tell us he's bad defensively. At least the commentators have watched the games, all you do is post a number that you don't even understand.

XGA and HDCA are two stats. They are very easy to understand.

Evolving-Hockey

evolving-hockey.com

This might help you

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

XGA and HDCA are two stats. They are very easy to understand.

Evolving-Hockey

evolving-hockey.com

This might help you

I have a link that might help you realise some things and understanding the game better but unfortunately I can't post it here.

Habs play Thursday the 23rd
Saturday the 25th and Tuesday the 28th. All at 7pm eastern time

I'm sure you can find the links yourself and watch some games Its on google. It might help you

 

[mphmiles]

-Yes, Hutson has struggled a little defensively this year.
-He's 20. Virtually no defensemen are high level players in their own end at that age, because so much of being good defensively is experience and being comfortable in systems. He'll continue to get better there.
-The good of the offense that he brings already significantly outweighs the bad. He's a net positive defenseman at 20 years old playing top pair minutes. That's incredibly promising.

 

[Legend123]

-Yes, Hutson has struggled a little defensively this year.
-He's 20. Virtually no defensemen are high level players in their own end at that age, because so much of being good defensively is experience and being comfortable in systems. He'll continue to get better there.
-The good of the offense that he brings already significantly outweighs the bad. He's a net positive defenseman at 20 years old playing top pair minutes. That's incredibly promising.

idk about you but hes looked so damn good defensively over the past 25 or so games other than one or two games here and there. If anything its Matheson, his D partner, who has struggled a lot more on his offside.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

idk about you but hes looked so damn good defensively over the past 25 or so games other than one or two games here and there. If anything its Matheson, his D partner, who has struggled a lot more on his offside.

...yup...get the kid a RD that can help him grow defensively a bit more and you'll have a stud pairing for years to come...

 

[HabzSauce]

XGA and HDCA are two stats. They are very easy to understand.

Evolving-Hockey

evolving-hockey.com

This might help you

Why don't these two stats match the eye test? Not shitting on you but the way you and others are using this stat to justify Hutson as horrible defensively just does not match my eyeballs

I know other Habs fans agree with me but curious what other fans see when they watch him play? On a regular basis I mean not just on a bad night like vs the leafs or a really good night vs the Canucks.

Alot of People advocating for these advanced stats are not talking at all about his game. Just throwing numbers around as if that automatically means he is a liability out there. And I just dont see it.

Is he amazing defensively? No....but he definitely doesn't look bad to me. He's got a different style, he defends very aggressively. Way better than I thought he would be at things like using his stick, reading the play, winning puck battles in tight space and fighting for positioning.

Id say he's DECENT defensively at this point. Which is far better than what I was expecting so I'll take it.....but saying he's horrible? And using a few advanced stats as the only argument? Nahhhh I don't buy it sorry.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Why don't these two stats match the eye test? Not shitting on you but the way you and others are using this stat to justify Hutson as horrible defensively just does not match my eyeballs

I know other Habs fans agree with me but curious what other fans see when they watch him play? On a regular basis I mean not just on a bad night like vs the leafs or a really good night vs the Canucks.

Alot of People advocating for these advanced stats are not talking at all about his game. Just throwing numbers around as if that automatically means he is a liability out there. And I just dont see it.

Is he amazing defensively? No....but he definitely doesn't look bad to me. He's got a different style, he defends very aggressively. Way better than I thought he would be at things like using his stick, reading the play and fighting for positioning.

Id say he's DECENT defensively at this point. Which is far better than what I was expecting so I'll take it.....but saying he's horrible? And using a few advanced stats as the only argument? Nahhhh I don't buy it sorry.

They don’t

 

[Frank Drebin]

I just don't know how you can throw out one single stat, which is inferred, calculated and assumed in some capacity, and plop it out there as if its some sort of proof about a defining characteristic of a player.

If he truly was historically awful defensively, as these advanced stats suggest, playing beside Mike Matheson who is not known for his defensive prowess either, how the heck is Montreal winning hockey games at the rate they are with these 2 non playing defense jokers playing over 20 minutes a game?

These stats aren't suggesting hes poor defensively. Or below average. Theyre suggesting that he's the worst defensive defenseman for his age in 20 years.

If you don't believe that then your stat is useless. If you do believe that then your opinion is worthless.

 

[Tanknation]

Why are you trying to throw in his offense to justify his defense? You seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it to. Using his offensive generation to pretend his defense is better than it is, while then ALSO using that same offensive generation again.

"His e+/- (xGF-xGA) is second on the Habs"

His xGA (you know, the defense part) is dead last among habs dmen, but it's convenient to leave that out.

His elite offensive generation makes up for his defensive deficiencies. It doesn't mean they aren't there.



"3rd best GA/60 among Habs dmen"

Carrier, Barron (you can combine them as one if you want), Savard, Xhekaj all rank better in this category.


Meanwhile.

Among NHL dmen:

197th/206 in xGA/60

154th in CA

174th in GA/60

Lying about his defense just makes you hard to take seriously.

Dude. You know he is playing 1D and against best players in league as a 20 year old. Nobody is saying he is some defensive D stud. But he is definitely slightly above average on D and will get better. Very few, if at all are great defensively at 20. Especially when they are elite offensively.

 

[dgibb10]

Dude. You know he is playing 1D and against best players in league as a 20 year old. Nobody is saying he is some defensive D stud. But he is definitely above slightly average on D and will get better. Very few or rare are amazing on D at 20. Especially when elite offensively.

He is not "definitely above average defensively" tho.

There is really nothing based in reality to suggest he is, and a TON to suggest he is very far below average.

His competition, is again, nothing special or out of the ordinary to suggest it is skewing his numbers. He isn't sheltered, but he certainly isn't playing the toughest minutes either.

His defensive results are all very similar to Erik Karlsson. And, like Karlsson, he makes up for his poor defense by being elite offensively. And that's okay because he is elite offensively.

But when you start lying and pretending these defensively poor, offensively elite dmen are actually good defensively, you lose a ton of credibility.

 

[Tanknation]

He is not "definitely above average defensively" tho.

There is really nothing based in reality to suggest he is, and a TON to suggest he is very far below average.

His competition, is again, nothing special or out of the ordinary to suggest it is skewing his numbers. He isn't sheltered, but he certainly isn't playing the toughest minutes either.

His defensive results are all very similar to Erik Karlsson. And, like Karlsson, he makes up for his poor defense by being elite offensively. And that's okay because he is elite offensively.

But when you start lying and pretending these defensively poor, offensively elite dmen are actually good defensively, you lose a ton of credibility.

Ok. Go watch some Habs games...