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LD Bowen Byram - Vancouver Giants, WHL (2019, 4th, COL)

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Goulet17 said:
Didn't at least 15 penalty minutes arise from a fighting major and a game misconduct from one incident (so just under half of his penalty minutes)? Considering Vancouver's struggles, a nearly ppg average (almost half at ES and over two SOGs per game) seems solid to me, particularly when we are discussing a defenseman and not a forward.

I am surprised that a particular poster has not shown up yet in an effort to try to validate his/her particular viewpoint.
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He had 8 penalty minutes against Kelowna when there was a scrum at the end of the 1st period, 6 of those minutes were handed out then, the other two in that game were roughing against Foote where they got matching penalties.

He then had a fighting major against Prince Albert. And a 10min misconduct against Everett.

He has 6 stick infraction minors (hooking and tripping) and one unsportsmanlike minor after he said something to the ref after he was called for a trip, where the other guy dove if you ask me.

23 of those penalty minutes came from scrums or fights.
 
landy92mack29 said:
have you watched any of his games?
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Only highlights. (and red articles and blogs) When you have such a bomb season in your draft year and now lead your team
only in penalty minutes, (edit: + assists) in retrospect, 0.80 ppg stat doesn't impress me one bit nor how he has supposedly
played/looked this season, you expect a 4th overall pick to do much more what he has so far done, right?
 
Man @GeorgeLeafer12 you really have some of the worst takes on this board. Nothing personal, but I just had to say it.

Admittedly I haven't watched any of Byram in Vancouver so far this season so I can't really be one to say either way, but what I do know is that you can't judge a prospect, even a 4th overall pick, who happens to be a defenseman by the way, on how many categories in which he's leading his team. Leave it to those who are watching him semi-regularly on a shift by shift basis to be the judges.
 
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NuxFan09 said:
Man @GeorgeLeafer12 you really have some of the worst takes on this board. Nothing personal, but I just had to say it.

Admittedly I haven't watched any of Byram in Vancouver so far this season so I can't really be one to say either way, but what I do know is that you can't judge a prospect, even a 4th overall pick, who happens to be a defenseman by the way, on how many categories in which he's leading his team. Leave it to those who are watching him semi-regularly on a shift by shift basis to be the judges.
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The poster you are responding to is a Blackhawks fan who likely is trying to convince himself more than anyone else that the Hawks made the right selection with Dach over Byram.

Personally, I like Dach and think he will be a fine player. What is done is done from Chicago's perspective, you can't change the past so why dwell on it.

Byram looks fine from what I have seen. The Giants have struggled early, which likely has contributed to a slow start from him. Nevertheless, he is still on a comparable offensive pace to his last season, except for goals, which likely was going to drop in any case.
 
At least points/goals wisely Bowen has struggled. 0 goals, 2 (secondary) assists in his last 6 games.
- has 24 penalty minutes in those 6 games (pace for 155 penalty minutes this season)

Total of 8 (6 pp points) 5 on 5 points this season (17 games). 2+12=14 in 17 games so far this season
 
Cousin Eddie said:
Did Byram hurt your dog?
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As I mentioned above, it is a fairly transparent issue with the poster above. Insecurity over the selection of Dach rather than Byram by the Hawks. It shouldn't be an issue in my opinion, as Dach is a great looking prospect, but apparently that particular poster has internal doubts about Dach over Byram. It starts to appear that he/she is trying to convince himself/herself about merits of the draft selection.
 
The issue is more they boxscore scout everyone than not liking a certain player. Last night Byram had a awesome game and should've had 5 points in the first period alone. His puck luck this year has been horrible vs Makar on the Avs who seems to get a secondary assist on every goal. A couple games early on when he was sent back he was a little underwhelming but overall he's been the best player on the ice every game. The points will pick up soon just like last year.
 
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Lol, generating secondary points as a defender is actually impressive. It shows that Makar is creating a very solid first pass breakout from the zone. What's more of your point is Barrie's secondary PP points feeding off from MacKinnon and Rantanen, which Makar is getting to a certain degree as well.

Byram was a mistake pick though, he feasted upon secondary points and 3v3 goals last year. Now he's struggling while other players like Caufield and Turcotte are rising up the redraft rankings.
 
S E P H said:
Lol, generating secondary points as a defender is actually impressive. It shows that Makar is creating a very solid first pass breakout from the zone. What's more of your point is Barrie's secondary PP points feeding off from MacKinnon and Rantanen, which Makar is getting to a certain degree as well.

Byram was a mistake pick though, he feasted upon secondary points and 3v3 goals last year. Now he's struggling while other players like Caufield and Turcotte are rising up the redraft rankings.
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Yeah I am calling bs on that one, Seph...

I was fine with either Turcotte, Dach or Byram personally and still am. I personally would have picked Turcotte due to wanting him and Mac down the middle but I get the concerns about his longterm durability and Byram/Makar/Girard should give us one hell of an awesome blueline for the next decade +.
Byram is fine. His stellar playoffs last year probably have warped expectations a bit. He was very young for his draft year and probably thought he was further ahead in his development himself than he really was and got a reality check in training camp and is just now adjusting to that disappointment. His team also has not started the season as well as was maybe expected. Regardless he will probably finish around PPG as well as seeing heavy minutes in the WJC which is IMO perfectly fine for his draft +1 year.
I am still glad we picked him.

Caufield would have been a horribly stupid pick at #4. Thank god that did not happen. Give me Byram over him 11 times out of 10. Not to say that he won't be a good player in the NHL. He certainly will. But certainly not worth that pick for us.
 
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S E P H said:
Lol, generating secondary points as a defender is actually impressive. It shows that Makar is creating a very solid first pass breakout from the zone. What's more of your point is Barrie's secondary PP points feeding off from MacKinnon and Rantanen, which Makar is getting to a certain degree as well.

Byram was a mistake pick though, he feasted upon secondary points and 3v3 goals last year. Now he's struggling while other players like Caufield and Turcotte are rising up the redraft rankings.
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Doubt it. We’ll see at the WJC and over the next decade.
 
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S E P H said:
I was joking lads. Byram is a solid pick - not my first choice and I believe he feasted on garbage points last season, but he's going to be a good one.
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One does not joke about the Devils future #1 D :sarcasm:.

I would maybe agree with him overperforming a bit statistically last season but it still was goddamn impressive how a guy (especially a Dman) that was very young for his draft year was doing in those playoffs. I don't even care all that much about his numbers aslong as he can stay at or around PPG, have a good WJC and improve his game in the areas in which he looked a bit out of depth with the Avs.

At the end of the day you failed, Seph :D. Your job was to bump the Newhook thread after last nights game and start pushing the notion that both Byram and Newhook are off limits for Hall and not hate on our golden boy . I am disappointed...

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To contribute to the secondary topic in here.
I agree that Makar has not been as good as his numbers so far this season. It is plain to see that he will be one hell of a Dman for the next 1.5 decades but so far he hasn't been as good as his numbers.
Arguably the same as Barrie last year which makes some sense to a certain degree given that Makar has taken over some parts of Barries job.
 
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I would say that Makar's point totals are inflated and do not reflect his true play to this point. He has shown flashes of his talent level and ability at times, but he has been fortunate at times to pick up points due to the play of others on the ice.

It seems to me that you are going to call out Byram's point totals from last year, you have to do the same with Makar's NHL totals to this point, at least if we are being fair.

But I am admittedly biased on both Makar and Byram. I think that both are the real deal and will prove it in the future
 
NuxFan09 said:
Man @GeorgeLeafer12 you really have some of the worst takes on this board. Nothing personal, but I just had to say it.

Admittedly I haven't watched any of Byram in Vancouver so far this season so I can't really be one to say either way, but what I do know is that you can't judge a prospect, even a 4th overall pick, who happens to be a defenseman by the way, on how many categories in which he's leading his team. Leave it to those who are watching him semi-regularly on a shift by shift basis to be the judges.
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Why do we do this?

Why do two people who don't watch the player argue about how well his season is going? I mean at least George watches highlights and reads about the prospect. It's strange to come in here throwing shade at him when you haven't watched Byram. I would expect someone with some credibility to throw that kind of shade.
 
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