LD Anton Silayev - Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod, KHL (2024, 10th, NJ)

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Hisch13r

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Other than him possibly still being 4-5 years away from joining the Devils, he’s exactly what the team needs. A big tough shutdown left handed defender.

I can see the frustration in not trading the pick for more immediate help but this is a great pick. I just hope he can join the team within 2 years.
We’re already going to be so thin on cap after signing Pesce and Dillon. If we also moved the pick for a top 6 wing we’d be throwing together the bottom 6 on hopes and dreams. Making the pick and getting a guy who can be an ELC contributor when we’re cap strapped is big.

I get the concerns over big guys potentially taking longer so it could take longer than the 2 years but he’ll have 3 KHL years at that point. He should be ready
 

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I think in general his smarts are very underestimated, might be because a lot of prospect writers watch just shifts, not the game itself and due to that can't exactly understand what kind of game is the team playing and how does he look in comparison to his partners.
Granted, I’ve only seen 2 games of shift by shifts on YouTube but I don’t think his vision is bad, in fact, I thought there was some creativity in some of his touch passes. I just thought many of his passes lacked execution. It really was my only gripe about his game. He will eventually play 25 pounds heavier and his shot will naturally turn from average to strength, at least in power. His release looked plenty quick enough to get shots through.

I would be happy for him to stay in Russia and develop with Larionov for as long as it takes for him to reach his ceiling.
 

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Holtz was a bad pick, Shakir was taken way too early and it lucked out it worked in a trade, Nemec is fine but there are still better players available that could've been taken over him. Mercer is a good comp piece. Stillman is also terrible, and this was also a bad pick.
Who are better players that could've been taken over Nemec? What in the world??? This I would LOVE to hear. Nemec just had an OUTSTANDING rookie debut. Guy will be a bonafide true #1 dman and our true cornerstone dman. Please give me your list of better players than Nemec who were taken after him. Nemec at this point in time I have #1 in the entire draft. Dude is going to be a top 5 dman in his prime who can do it all. Holtz obviously wasn't the best choice but at the end of the day it's still early to call on him because he only had 1 full season & we developed him poorly. If he goes onto Vegas and becomes a 30 goal scorer then he wasn't a bust pick. Obviously right now he's a giant disappointment so I'll give you this one. Shakir isn't looking like a bad draft pick at all. Was it a reach of a pick? Sure but if that reach pick ends up succeeding then it's not a bad pick, it actually shows that it's a great pick because our scouts ignored the general consensus & picked who they believed was best. If that player succeeds then it's a hit. Shakir will be an NHL dman no doubt about it. Stillman yes is obviously a horrendous pick and probably Fitz only real stain next to Holtz. The whole Nemec thing is wild to me. I can't wait to hear your explanation for Nemec being a Fitz botched pick.
 
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Other than him possibly still being 4-5 years away from joining the Devils he’s exactly what the team needs. A big tough shutdown left handed defender.

I can see the frustration in not trading the pick for more immediate help but this is a great pick. I just hope he can join the team within 2 years.
I look at it differently, if he hits his ultimate ceiling you look at your window differently and build around him rather than anyone else.
 

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Granted, I’ve only seen 2 games of shift by shifts on YouTube but I don’t think his vision is bad, in fact, I thought there was some creativity in some of his touch passes. I just thought many of his passes lacked execution. It really was my only gripe about his game. He will eventually play 25 pounds heavier and his shot will naturally turn from average to strength, at least in power. His release looked plenty quick enough to get shots through.

I would be happy for him to stay in Russia and develop with Larionov for as long as it takes for him to reach his ceiling.
The shot has already quite some power, so I wouldn't call it average in that way, needs to find the shooting lanes and opportunities better though. Puck skills in general including the passing execution need some help from Larionov, yes.
 

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If Silayev hits his potential, the Devils are going to be scary. Even if he doesn’t, they still might be. I think his floor is probably a Zadorov type with better skating - a legitimate #2-#3 D.

Upside could be something in between a Bouwmeester with a physical element, to a Hedman/Chara type.

Amazing pick.
 

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The shot has already quite some power, so I wouldn't call it average in that way, needs to find the shooting lanes and opportunities better though. Puck skills in general including the passing execution need some help from Larionov, yes.
That was the other thing, his general puck skills could be better but I assume growing to 6’7 hasn’t really given him a chance to feel comfortable in his body until recently, if at all. Next year might be his first year playing hockey that he didn’t grow height wise.

I loved Mulhamadullin after NJ drafted him due to his projectability. Good skaters can add weight without sacrificing their skating, which in turn improves their shot and strength in the boards. Silayev has perfect skating mechanics and pivot.
 

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That was the other thing, his general puck skills could be better but I assume growing to 6’7 hasn’t really given him a chance to feel comfortable in his body until recently, if at all. Next year might be his first year playing hockey that he didn’t grow height wise.

I loved Mulhamadullin after NJ drafted him due to his projectability. Good skaters can add weight without sacrificing their skating, which in turn improves their shot and strength in the boards. Silayev has perfect skating mechanics and pivot.
I liked getting Meier but boy did losing Muk sting a lot.
 

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I liked getting Meier but boy did losing Muk sting a lot.
It sucked to lose him but the future on defense is strong without him. Luke , Nemec , Dougie , Pesce all pretty much locks for the next 4 years. Casey , Silayev , Misyul , Vilen , Orlov. Etc....lots of talent in the pipeline.

I'm not sure of Muhk would of been getting games over Nemec last season if he were still here. His development has been slow but good from what I've seen. San Jose isn't rushing him but this upcoming season I'd like to see him force his way into the lineup.

Nemec has just been awesome since we took him.
 

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It sucked to lose him but the future on defense is strong without him. Luke , Nemec , Dougie , Pesce all pretty much locks for the next 4 years. Casey , Silayev , Misyul , Vilen , Orlov. Etc....lots of talent in the pipeline.

I'm not sure of Muhk would of been getting games over Nemec last season if he were still here. His development has been slow but good from what I've seen. San Jose isn't rushing him but this upcoming season I'd like to see him force his way into the lineup.

Nemec has just been awesome since we took him.
I think the timing of not moving Holtz then was unideal.

Holtz+1st+2nd+Johnson would have seemed much worse at the time but ended better.

Zetterlund as a 3rd line offensive wing, Shakir in the pipeline. Take Silayev still imo, and then use Casey/Shakir to target a guy like McGroarty this year, or a 3C defensive prospect like Beck or Wahlberg
 

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I think the timing of not moving Holtz then was unideal.

Holtz+1st+2nd+Johnson would have seemed much worse at the time but ended better.

Zetterlund as a 3rd line offensive wing, Shakir in the pipeline. Take Silayev still imo, and then use Casey/Shakir to target a guy like McGroarty this year, or a 3C defensive prospect like Beck or Wahlberg

I don't think that would've seemed worse at the time to me because I really really didn't want to move Zetterlund in that deal.
 

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SJ rejected Holtz. I’m also talking about myself and I was open to putting Holtz in that deal. I was very openly against wanting Zetterlund in the deal
Holtz was offered as a part of a MUCH smaller package.

SJS opted for the quantity.
 

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SJ rejected Holtz. I’m also talking about myself and I was open to putting Holtz in that deal. I was very openly against wanting Zetterlund in the deal

They wanted a young roster player, I took that mean to mean Zetterlund or Sharangovich.

I would have preferred it was Sharangovich, since I didn’t think we were keeping him, and didn’t want to lose both. But alas…

The prospect was Muk instead of Holtz.
 
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Silayev-Nemec could be the best pair in the league in 5-10 years if things break right. Devils have an embarrassment of riches on the blueline all the sudden. Hamilton, Hughes, Nemec, Casey, Silayev…
 
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Silayev-Nemec could be the best pair in the league in 5-10 years if things break right. Devils have an embarrassment of riches on the blueline all the sudden. Hamilton, Hughes, Nemec, Casey, Silayev…
For real. Hughes on a 2nd pairing is just borderline criminal if all these guys hit their ceiling or even close to it.
 

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Silayev-Nemec could be the best pair in the league in 5-10 years if things break right. Devils have an embarrassment of riches on the blueline all the sudden. Hamilton, Hughes, Nemec, Casey, Silayev…

You left out Pesce. With Siegenthaler added to the mix, it's the most complete, talented and deepest defensive core in the entire league. Built for the now and the next decade. Thanks in large to the vision of Thomas James Fitzgerald.
 

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You left out Pesce. With Siegenthaler added to the mix, it's the most complete, talented and deepest defensive core in the entire league. Built for the now and the next decade. Thanks in large to the vision of Thomas James Fitzgerald.

I still think Marino was the better fit. People got way too down on him because of a down year. He was the perfect D to compliment our team. An elite defender that is also elite at retrieving pucks and cleanly breaking them out is an absolute gem. That’s an area where Carolina absolutely killed guys like Dougie, Siegs, Graves, Bahl. 2 of those guys are still here and we brought in Dillon who also sucks at doing those things.

We’ll see how Pesce fares outside of Carolina. He’s been in the perfect defensive environment. It’s hard to evaluate his exits and retrievals. He’s had a really light workload on retrievals but a high success rate. When it comes to exits he has a very low rate of clean breakouts. Now that could be a systems thing with Carolina preferring to dump the puck out rather than cleanly breaking the puck out but just not sure how good Pesce will be at those things.

The retrievals and exits are really the only concerns I have with Silayev currently. I don’t give a f*** if the offense ever comes. I just need him to be able to break pucks out cleanly. That’s the difference between him being an elite defender who forces one and dones and keeps the puck going the other way or him being a defender that’s elite at actively defending but due to being turnover prone and failed breakouts he’s constantly forced to defend. As of now he’s not good under pressure, the pucks skills are lacking, and he can be too panicky and move pucks to the first option he sees regardless of if it’s the right option or if the guy is even open. I also don’t think this way a KHL issue as he did the same thing when he went back down to the MHL. Thankfully he should be next to one of Nemec or Casey who sill be able to help him out there
 

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Silayev-Nemec could be the best pair in the league in 5-10 years if things break right. Devils have an embarrassment of riches on the blueline all the sudden. Hamilton, Hughes, Nemec, Casey, Silayev…

Luke-Nemec absolutely crushed their minutes together last year. I don’t think they’re doing this but if it was me I’d probably be running Dillon-Pesce together as a shutdown and going Luke-Nemec together and letting them grow together. Luke-Nemec top pair and Silayev-Casey as a David and Goliath 2nd pair is how I’d envision the top 4 D of the future
 

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We’re already going to be so thin on cap after signing Pesce and Dillon. If we also moved the pick for a top 6 wing we’d be throwing together the bottom 6 on hopes and dreams. Making the pick and getting a guy who can be an ELC contributor when we’re cap strapped is big.

I get the concerns over big guys potentially taking longer so it could take longer than the 2 years but he’ll have 3 KHL years at that point. He should be ready
Which guy would have been a realistic elc contributor within the next 2 years. Nobody at 10 was NHL ready for this coming year (ironically Silayev is the most NHL ready player available there by far, he's just in russia under contract). At best you're getting a guy for 25-26. 1 year earlier of a guy playing through growing pains in his rookie season is not going to move the needle like you think. you're looking at best case Mercer rookie year.

From 2022 draft just 7 guys have done literally anything in the NHL so far. And only Poitras and Mintyukov from that group were drafted at pick 10 or later.
 

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Which guy would have been a realistic elc contributor within the next 2 years. Nobody at 10 was NHL ready for this coming year (ironically Silayev is the most NHL ready player available there by far, he's just in russia under contract). At best you're getting a guy for 25-26. 1 year earlier of a guy playing through growing pains in his rookie season is not going to move the needle like you think. you're looking at best case Mercer rookie year.

From 2022 draft just 7 guys have done literally anything in the NHL so far. And only Poitras and Mintyukov from that group were drafted at pick 10 or later.

That’s literally what I’m saying. Get a guy who can be an ELC contributor in a couple of years when we’re cap strapped with Luke and Nemec and Mercer off their ELCs and onto their 2nd deals.
 
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