Value of: Lawson Crouse
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StlBigFly
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When the season was a month or two or three in - and I checked him out - it seemed to me like Utah had so many young guys that were good and getting chances that Crouse was pushed out a bit.
So for awhile I was thinking that would change. But seeing his season long icetime ebb and flow well under 16 minutes most games through today - I dunno.
I can’t tell if this is a thing where Utah has guys who are better taking icetime and when Crouse gets time in those moments it’s a bad outcome, but there’s a real valuable player there, or if he’s bad and cooked.
So for awhile I was thinking that would change. But seeing his season long icetime ebb and flow well under 16 minutes most games through today - I dunno.
I can’t tell if this is a thing where Utah has guys who are better taking icetime and when Crouse gets time in those moments it’s a bad outcome, but there’s a real valuable player there, or if he’s bad and cooked.
If you are just looking to unload him, the Sharks will take him without retention for future considerations.
Exactly the kind of player Chicago should be adding going forward.
Saw him listed as a change of scenery deal a few hours ago in an article by The Score
What would the price be?
We have Kurashev who is another change of scenery candidate.
Saw him listed as a change of scenery deal a few hours ago in an article by The Score
What would the price be?
We have Kurashev who is another change of scenery candidate.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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As a hab fans I'd have some interest.
I'd offer Newhook for Crouse and a plus for the cap difference.
I'd offer Newhook for Crouse and a plus for the cap difference.
ClarkSittler
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I’d like to think we could get something at all for him. Thanks for your offer though!
I haven’t caught any of Kurashev so far this season, but based on past performance, I think we might have to add in a deal based on Crouse for Kurashev, unless he’s really just that bad this year. Since I don’t know what kind of season he’s having or what kind of contract he’s on, I don’t know where I’d start though.
Newhook definitely intrigues me as a player. I like the idea of this a lot.
(I screwed up on the multi quote, sorry about that.)
Um… are you sure about that? This seems like it would be quite an overpay from Toronto.
Kurashev has been a mess this year. RFA after this season though so less term and contract than CrouseI’d like to think we could get something at all for him. Thanks for your offer though!
I haven’t caught any of Kurashev so far this season, but based on past performance, I think we might have to add in a deal based on Crouse for Kurashev, unless he’s really just that bad this year. Since I don’t know what kind of season he’s having or what kind of contract he’s on, I don’t know where I’d start though.
Newhook definitely intrigues me as a player. I like the idea of this a lot.
(I screwed up on the multi quote, sorry about that.)
Um… are you sure about that? This seems like it would be quite an overpay from Toronto.
Almost sounds like 1 for 1 could make sense then, if Chicago has the cap space for Crouse’s contract. In that case, we could just cut bait from Kurashev in the scenario that he doesn’t even play well enough to warrant giving a qualifying offer.
ReimanSum1908
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I would do this trade as a Habs fan without any addition on the part of Utah, though in terms of asset management during negotiations, I would try to squeeze out a mid-to-late round (4th) draft pick or two.
However, I have a very low opinion of Newhook, and Utah would be likely to regret the deal, in my opinion.
I don’t have a very high opinion of Crouse either. However, if we retain then I don’t think I’d want to give up a draft pick along with him for Newhook. If we don’t retain, I could justify a fourth round pick though.
Zman5778
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This has been discussed in a fairly recent Crouse thread.......
But something around Crouse for Cozens makes a ton of sense for each team. Both teams need what the other player can bring if right (Crouse brings physicality and leadership to Buffalo, Cozens brings 2-way play and goal scoring to Utah).
The deal that was kinda thrown out there was Crouse and Kesselring for Cozens plus a pick. Would make sense from both sides to a point.
But something around Crouse for Cozens makes a ton of sense for each team. Both teams need what the other player can bring if right (Crouse brings physicality and leadership to Buffalo, Cozens brings 2-way play and goal scoring to Utah).
The deal that was kinda thrown out there was Crouse and Kesselring for Cozens plus a pick. Would make sense from both sides to a point.
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It's not. Domi stinks. He's scored more than 9 goals once in the past five years.
Hawks need to meet the floor next year too and are small up front in our prospect pool. Would make alot of sense
Crouse is big, fast and physical. Averages over 168 hits per season and 16 goals.
Bit of a slow year but he would be a great addition to many teams.
Bit of a slow year but he would be a great addition to many teams.
ReimanSum1908
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Oh, I wouldn't be asking for retention on Crouse. The trade largely sounds like a classic swap of players who have underperformed with the draft pick balancing out the difference in their contracts, which Montreal can absorb easily over Crouse's term.
The Devilish Buffoon
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Names being thrown out here (aside from Cozens) are laughable.
Newhook… Domi… Kurashev… Crouse is in an entirely different tier of player, especially considering what teams are looking to add heading into the playoffs.
Newhook… Domi… Kurashev… Crouse is in an entirely different tier of player, especially considering what teams are looking to add heading into the playoffs.
ClarkSittler
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Domi's G/60 and P/60 are slightly above Crouse's but like Lawson, Max isn't having the greatest year.
Crouse is bigger and younger so Utah deserves a 2nd for that and the salary retention.
Put him on Tavares' line with Nylander, I can see him getting 30.
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Alright, this mean Josh Anderson has some solid value.
Let's line up for him.
Well that's fair. I just personally don't like Domi for reasons unrelated to his performance. He was originally an Arizona draft pick and bad-mouthed the franchise on the way out of town. My original line of thinking that a player like him in addition to a 2nd round pick is a lot to give up for Crouse. If he's been playing that poorly, perhaps it looks like a better trade.
I kind of like the idea of Mathieu Joseph or Alexey Toropchenko if we're talking about a trade involving Crouse going the other way, but I admittedly don't know much either about either player to be able to consider what a deal involving either of them for Crouse would look like.
The Devilish Buffoon
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Crouse makes less, is way more consistent off the puck, and his last three years are each better than any of Anderson’s last 5 seasons.
Anderson might be able to return Domi, Kurashev, or Newhook in the right situation, though, and I’d definitely take him over any one of those guys if contract isnt considered.
