Confirmed with Link: Lavi and Housley fired

[mas0764]

if the culture was so bad that they had to bring ownership into exit interviews and ask each player if they even want to be on the team then they should've gone full rebuild, which further begs the question of why did they even bother trading for JT Miller at all

The GM is either an idiot or desperate to save his job, for which he’s under directive to win now at all costs, which is of course completely foolish.

 

[bobbop]

93% of this rangers roster, and Panarin especially, wouldn’t listen to a word Muse ever utters.

What is your source?

 

[will1066]

What is your source?

Muse himself

 

[Homelander]

What is your source?

He's Muse's muse

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Hit the bricks, toots.

Leave Tyutin out of this, he was good for us.

 

[bhamill]

I've lived in NY over 95% of my life and I am grateful I'm from here, got to grow up here, and for the work I do, however I acknowledge NY state and especially NYC the last 10-12 years is in a very low period. I can't talk the word that starts with p and ends with itics here because it's taboo.

My only questions that I've asked time and time again, other than the pizza and nostalgia, what does NYC offer that other cities don't? Saying "restaurants/museums" is a straw man.

How would restaurants and museums be a straw man? That makes no sense. They are definitely attributes of the city that few cities can match either of, never mind both…
The better question is what does NYC NOT have? Theater, every kind of music venue, opportunity, education, activities, travel hubs, tell me what it does NOT have? Hahahaha. You can day trip to go skiing, snowboarding, surfing. You can go fishing out of here. In fact I can fish and crab 300 feet from my front door. It’s a major sports market. Just about ANYTHING you want, you can find here. I’ll say it again, some cities may match NYC In one or two categories but none can match it in all of them.

And I know plenty of people who have moved away and moved back. My parents in fact, lived on the Carolina coast, then the Florida coast and came back, but I’ve had friends who’ve moved to NOLA, LA, Colorado, NM, the Pacific Northwest, Georgia (Russia), several EU countries, gezus, plenty of places, and moved back.

 

[mas0764]

One thing I don't get is that Drury is a bad guy for dumping Goody and Trouba when 85% of this board and some in the media advocated for exactly that 10-11 months ago.

That’s not why he’s the bad guy in my book.

 

[80s Kid]

How would restaurants and museums be a straw man? That makes no sense. They are definitely attributes of the city that few cities can match either of, never mind both…
The better question is what does NYC NOT have? Theater, every kind of music venue, opportunity, education, activities, travel hubs, tell me what it does NOT have? Hahahaha. You can day trip to go skiing, snowboarding, surfing. You can go fishing out of here. In fact I can fish and crab 300 feet from my front door. It’s a major sports market. Just about ANYTHING you want, you can find here. I’ll say it again, some cities may match NYC In one or two categories but none can match it in all of them.

And I know plenty of people who have moved away and moved back. My parents in fact, lived on the Carolina coast, then the Florida coast and came back, but I’ve had friends who’ve moved to NOLA, LA, Colorado, NM, the Pacific Northwest, Georgia (Russia), several EU countries, gezus, plenty of places, and moved back.

NYC does NOT have nice weather. Obviously all of these posts are a matter of opinion but if you want warm weather, NYC is not the place to be. I'm sure a lot of people are fine with it but it's undeniable that a lot of people prefer winters that don't last forever.

 

[Riche16]

Ahhhh now it'll all be better.

All the feels.

 

[TheTakedown]

Aside from money, which honestly every NHL team can offer (our “advantages” are becoming less advantaged as time marches on… NYC is a shit hole and every major metro in the country is catching up… I would far rather live in the suburbs of Dallas or Denver or Nashville or even Phoenix)… it’s a good question. Why the hell would you want to stake your reputation on this organization when the next coach will be the 4th since 2019 despite two ECF appearances in that time.

I mean, it shows that the root issue is the players and not the coaches. The only saving grace is that Drury has at least attempted to rectify the issue within the player personnel. Whether or not it works is still up for debate / needs time to brew, but at least they are doing *something* to address a gaping wound

 

[TheTakedown]

It was a horrible hire from the second there was reported interest from Drury. I said it at the time, but I genuinely cannot believe that anyone could have watched Laviolette’s three years in Washington and thought it would be different here. He had all of the same problems that we had with Gallant with vets not buying into structure, not being able to develop younger players and help them seize roles, and coaching them to multiple playoff failures.

This should fall back on Drury because he’s the one who’s failed to set an organizational standard for how this organization operates. He’s turned this place into a miserable, toxic shitheap because he’s a thin-skinned loser who was born with a silver spoon up his ass and never had to face adversity. It’s no surprise why Dolan likes him. I likened them to the Calgary Flames in Sutter’s last year where everyone was miserable and hated hockey. Drury managed to make it worse here which is truly an impressive accomplishment.

They need to clean house with the majority of the front office and rethink how they want to do things to get this back on track. I’m not holding my breath that they’ll actually figure this out.

I don't think he was hired to be a difference maker. I've written this in a few threads -- I have to give Drury credit, he was not looking for a magical wizard to be behind the bench, these short term "spark hires" were done to shock the room into cranking out wins. He saw that the team had a certain mojo that was only responding to short term changes, so he worked with it as much as he could. Again, to the organizations credit It worked, those 2 coaches got them to 2 ECFs in 4 years. How many teams would fire their coach just to go to an Eastern conference final? Lots of them.

Even if Drury "knew" that the root issue was a personnel issue, you can't tear down the team while it's competing -- you wanna talk about bad topics and no plan? The type of "rebuild" that people are unknowingly clamoring for (blowing it up last year) would likely result in a team even further disjointed than the one we just watched this season.

However, now we have a clear sample size that confirms that 2 coaches in 4 years have produced identical results -- a positive freshman year, a down sophomore year, followed by a firing, rinse and repeat.

Maybe 15% of this teams downfall is on the GM, he's never going to be fault-less, but be assured that the root problem IS the player core. It was reported 6 months ago that it was clear and known that several players had quit on the organization. I cannot wait for these cancers to be moved.

 

[TheTakedown]

Don't hire another coach until you've dumped this core of players.

I'm sorry, but if you're depending on Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Fox to be the guys to lead a team to playoff success, you're out of your f***ing mind.

Edit - not saying to dump Fox, but he's not the guy who's going to turn the culture around.

I presume the excising of cancerous players will be done before a coach is brought in. There is plenty of time with an early off-season / no playoff berth.

The mold of this team will be players that compete like JT Miller, produce like panarin, and have the desire to win like Igor...

 

[TheTakedown]

(Not directed at you, just me ranting)

See this is my problem with assessing coaches. Colorado's lockerroom is stogged full of leaders and drill sergeants; any coach in the league could stand behind that bench and have success.

Because it is Bednar, he now has a reputation as being good, and that will stick with him for the rest of his career. Like Vigneault with HOF goalies. We all assume that Cooper is a good coach, but look at the team he's had since he entered.

We need to build a good team full of players who are going to hold one another accountable, and stop worrying about what guy is going to throw on a suit and tie and stand behind them. He really doesn't make much difference.

Unfortunately it's an unprovable concept of "good" that results in a completely circular thought process:

"Coach X is so good that he stays with Y team because Y team gets good results because X coach is good which makes coach X stay with Y team, which...."

What it *does* confirm is that even the best coach cannot turn complete losers into winners. Coaches can only work with the commodities that they have in front of them. It just so happens that the commodities on the rangers team are older, set in their ways, unable to adjust/adapt to change, and most importantly have been permitted to "get their way".

With everyone clamoring for "accountability", I'm glad Drury put the team on blast while also accepting blame. The players nonetheless definitely deserve the MAJORITY of blame, and again Drury has identified this.

We're on the right track. Trust the process

 

[TheTakedown]

Philadelphia, Boston and Chicago offer the amenities and lifestyle New York does with Philadelphia and Chicago being at a fraction of the cost.

Boston is nothing like New York... Also Massachusetts is one of the most expensive states in the country alongside New York

 

[TheTakedown]

But thats not what people usually have been saying. They say Drury ruined the team and made them quit. I'm not even defending Drury. I just find it strange that some posters bash him for doing exactly what they said to do. In fact some said it was impossible to do without salary consequences and were happy at the time the deals were made.

Yeah I'm with you. All of these people claiming Drury is "ruining the team", he's literally doing exactly what they are asking for.

 

[TheTakedown]

I agree pretty much with this. I don't think the Rangers were going to get any further with the team they had. If I remember some of the Rangers were saying we only lost our games to Florida by one goal....which was true but they were badly outperformed throughout the series. It was Igor that kept the games close. Drury didn't read the room very well and how it turned out was he basically took a stick to a hornet's nest. It's not so much that the moves he made weren't right but in the way he went about things. Immediate negative reaction from the players to the Goodrow trade. It pretty much gave me the sense something underhanded was going on or at least the players felt that way. Followed immediately by trying to move Trouba and it's like from that moment things started to fall apart and it became the Rangers players vs. the GM. You almost feel like Drury has no relationship with his own players apart from once in a while throwing a contract someone's way.

It brings to mind also the stuff that went on with Kravtsov. I don't think he's a people person and he needs to be at least a little.

This is very well put

 

[TheTakedown]

Mika was terrible for the better part of two seasons. That’s definitely on his permanent record. But for most of this season I don’t think he was a problem. If someone would give us even a little value for him, I’d be happy to do it. But realistically that’s not happening. And assuming it doesn’t I have no issue with bringing him back next year.

The root problem with Mika is a microcosm of the inability for coaches to take hold of the room.... The mika-kreider sandwich has been a complete disaster for 3 years now, but each of the last 4 coaches we've had has kept them together even when it caused them to produce bottom-10 5v5 numbers.

One thing I mistakenly shat on Drury for was not getting a real RW1 for that "top line", but the past 1.5 seasons indicate the real issue is that these two players *do not belong together*, yet every f***ing moronic coach we've had does whatever each of these "ceremonial leaders" wants and stuffs them together, 5v5 stats be damned, then you start to realize why the 15 different wingers put onto that line produced horrendous numbers / did not fit.

 

[bhamill]

NYC does NOT have nice weather. Obviously all of these posts are a matter of opinion but if you want warm weather, NYC is not the place to be. I'm sure a lot of people are fine with it but it's undeniable that a lot of people prefer winters that don't last forever.

It gets up to 100° in the summer, freezing in the winter, and has every type of weather in between. Is it nice all the time? Nope. Today was pretty awesome. Hahahaha. There are not too many places where it’s warm in the winter and not Satan’s crotch in the summer. My sister lives in Charleston, SC. Hates the summer weather there. Which is about 5 months. Hahaha.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Boston is nothing like New York... Also Taxasachuset is one of the most expensive states in the country alongside New York

fixed it

 

[JimmyG89]

The root problem with Mika is a microcosm of the inability for coaches to take hold of the room.... The mika-kreider sandwich has been a complete disaster for 3 years now, but each of the last 4 coaches we've had has kept them together even when it caused them to produce bottom-10 5v5 numbers.

One thing I mistakenly shat on Drury for was not getting a real RW1 for that "top line", but the past 1.5 seasons indicate the real issue is that these two players *do not belong together*, yet every f***ing moronic coach we've had does whatever each of these "ceremonial leaders" wants and stuffs them together, 5v5 stats be damned, then you start to realize why the 15 different wingers put onto that line produced horrendous numbers / did not fit.

Something that I thought was interesting is that Mika/Kreider didn't get really any reps with Miller at C. They've put these two together for years and then they could do it with Mika on the wing and decided not to.

I won't complain about Laviolette deservedly giving those reps to Cuylle, it's just interesting.

I've defended them as a duo, but this season was beyond that. Kreider was just a shell of himself this season. They probably cannot get anything for him. I think it's why the pressure is on Mika to waive and be moved. They can throw Kreider on the 3rd or 4th line if need be.

 

[TheTakedown]

Something that I thought was interesting is that Mika/Kreider didn't get really any reps with Miller at C. They've put these two together for years and then they could do it with Mika on the wing and decided not to.

I won't complain about Laviolette deservedly giving those reps to Cuylle, it's just interesting.

I've defended them as a duo, but this season was beyond that. Kreider was just a shell of himself this season. They probably cannot get anything for him. I think it's why the pressure is on Mika to waive and be moved. They can throw Kreider on the 3rd or 4th line if need be.

Mika showed some light at the end of that tunnel with JT Miller, but how much of that is Miller carrying him vs Mika "finally having the right guy to play with"? Maybe the smart move is to capitalize on Mika's PPG play for the last ~30 games of the season and see what teams are interested. Mika's NMC makes moving him nearly impossible, puts us in a similar position to Vancouver sending us Miller, we can only hope that the right partner comes along...

At the end of the day, you end up in the same position -- though these are both solid players, the combined $15M paid to Mika + Kreider is too much money given that they do not produce, and you're looking at players who can't be forced into "3rd line" or "PP Specialist" roles... Then you consider how obvious it is that they cannot co-exist on the same team given their history and inability to play with anyone other than eachother, and the end result is that one, if not both, need to go, regardless of the return

 

[Guyute]

What is your source?

Sources cannot pertain to hypothetical statements.

That said, we all watched Giannone's coaches report prior to the 3rd period throughout the season. Peca and Muse emphasized the right points every time: manage the puck in the danger areas, more North-South and less East-West, get pucks and bodies on net, keep F3 high, etc.

Then what would Panarin and company do? Pretty much the exact opposite.

Edit: I still like the idea of Peca and Muse. I think they did a pretty good job. I respect Muse’s work ethic. If the players can’t listen to their 4th coach in however many years, then it’s the players that need to change not the coach.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Can't wait for Pavel Brendl to get everyone on the hot dog diet

We need a new identity.

We'll have the widest team on ice. Truly clog the neutral zone (and the opposing arena's toilets).

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Philadelphia, Boston and Chicago offer the amenities and lifestyle New York does with Philadelphia and Chicago being at a fraction of the cost.

Lived in Philly. Laughable statement.

LAUGHABLE.

Boston and Chicago are fine for a quick visit, I guess. I am in those cities frequently. Not really sure how they can offer the same level of amenities, though. On the arts side alone, NYC laps the other two cities combined, frankly.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I've lived in NY over 95% of my life and I am grateful I'm from here, got to grow up here, and for the work I do, however I acknowledge NY state and especially NYC the last 10-12 years is in a very low period. I can't talk the word that starts with p and ends with itics here because it's taboo.

My only questions that I've asked time and time again, other than the pizza and nostalgia, what does NYC offer that other cities don't? Saying "restaurants/museums" is a straw man.

Im not sure you know what a straw man is. Also, while yes maybe NYC has declined in some areas - you cannot compare the life of a professional athlete in NYC to that of a 9-5 office worker. Its just not the same experience at all. Also, most dont live in NYC, their commute to “work” is much different, and a lot live somewhere else in the offseason