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You could've given that a score of 1F and it wouldn't have made any difference.

People are going to see "Nicolas Cage beating up on demonized Muppets for 90 minutes" and be like "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
 
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Glass (Shyamalan, 2019) - I think I just don't get why this guy makes films, but he seems to have fun doing so. 3/10

Die Hard (McTiernan, 1988) - The gf had never seen it, so well, now she has. I really couldn't think of a way to rate it so I was glad to find out I already had it on IMDB at 5/10.
 

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I guess you'd like it higher, but I'm afraid it doesn't do enough for me to recommend the film. It's a relatively fun and funny action film. If it's anymore than that, I'm missing something.

You're missing all of the reflexive elements. John McClane displays great reflexes as he's choking bad guys and throwing them off of the side of a very reflective building while walking on glass and then, without pause, coming up with terrific one liners. You don't get more reflexive than that. :sarcasm:
 

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I actually watched all 5 Die Hard movies during a snow storm 2 months back. I can confirm that 1 and 2 are the perfect Christmas movies.
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McClane is interesting, because he is a reluctant hero, and that makes him stand out in the late 1980s, when the box office is dominated by muscular one-man army types like Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Willis plays him perfectly too, with his dead pan snarky style, and not only is he so much fun to watch as a everyday man thrust into an impossible situation, he is also relatable at the same time.

1 remains the highwater mark, as it is the perfect mix between the detective and action thriller genres. The actions are very good, as there are a couple of memorable and even nowadays iconic action sequences, and the naturalistic plot twists are a great change of pace that keep the audience engaged in the story. 2 is still decent, but there are fewer memorable action sequences, perhaps only two or three, and the plot twists are no longer all that fresh or creative. Die Hard with a Vengeance actually bores me, because the setup takes way too long, and a confrontation never happens until near the end of the movie. Willis is also extremely out-of-shape at the time, so McClane looks slow, and there are actually very few action sequences. Worst of all, the few action sequences that Willis do are actually quite simple, and he still looks terrible in them. Meanwhile, the sidekick is given more to do, but Samuel L. Jackson's character is essentially useless. 4 is much, much better, but that is only because Willis is finally in shape, and the action sequences are memorable again. In fact, they are probably the best from the entire series. The plot, unfortunately, is formulaic at this point, so everything is rather predictable. Finally, 5 is just plain bad. The sequences are dull, once again, and the plot is just plain stupid. The pace is fast enough that I am not exactly bored, but I am left with mere empty calories.

My score would be:
Die Hard 7.25/10
Die Hard 2 6.5/10
Die Hard with a Vengeance 5.5/10
Live Free or Die Hard 6.5/10
A Good Day to Die Hard 4.5/10
 
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I actually watched all 5 Die Hard movies during a snow storm 2 months back. I can confirm that 1 and 2 are the perfect Christmas movies.
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McCain is interesting, because he is a reluctant hero, and that makes him stand out in the late 1980s, when the box office is dominated by muscular one-man army types like Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Willis plays him perfectly too, with his dead pan snarky style, and not only is he so much fun to watch as a everyday man thrust into an impossible situation, he is also relatable at the same time.

1 remains the highwater mark, as it is the perfect mix between the detective and action thriller genres. The actions are very good, as there are a couple of memorable and even nowadays iconic action sequences, and the naturalistic plot twists are a great change of pace that keep the audience engaged in the story. 2 is still decent, but there are fewer memorable action sequences, perhaps only two or three, and the plot twists are no longer all that fresh or creative. Die Hard with a Vengeance actually bores me, because the setup takes way too long, and a confrontation never happens until near the end of the movie. Willis is also extremely out-of-shape at the time, so McCain looks slow, and there are actually very few action sequences. Worst of all, the few action sequences that Willis do are actually quite simple, and he still looks terrible in them. Meanwhile, the sidekick is given more to do, but Samuel L. Jackson's character is essentially useless. 4 is much, much better, but that is only because Willis is finally in shape, and the action sequences are memorable again. In fact, they are probably the best from the entire series. The plot, unfortunately, is formulaic at this point, so everything is rather predictable. Finally, 5 is just plain bad. The sequences are dull, once again, and the plot is just plain stupid. The pace is fast enough that I am not exactly bored, but I am left with mere empty calories.

My score would be:
Die Hard 7.25/10
Die Hard 2 6.5/10
Die Hard with a Vengeance 5.5/10
Live Free or Die Hard 6.5/10
A Good Day to Die Hard 4.5/10

McCain are cheap French fries, McClane is who you're thinking of. It seems I'll go through the five films too. Not sure I've seen them all yet. 2 was terrible.

You're missing all of the reflexive elements. John McClane displays great reflexes as he's choking bad guys and throwing them off of the side of a very reflective building while walking on glass and then, without pause, coming up with terrific one liners. You don't get more reflexive than that. :sarcasm:

With that in mind...

Die Hard 2 (Harlin, 1990) - "How can the same shit happen to the same guy twice!?" - now that's reflexivity for you. If this film's premisse was used to build an essay on mathematical probabilities and the game theory, it would have been a masterpiece. Sadly, it is not. 2.5/10
 

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McCain are cheap French fries, McClane is who you're thinking of. It seems I'll go through the five films too. Not sure I've seen them all yet. 2 was terrible.

Noted. Thanks.

I actually have a bag of McCain at home. I happen to like them.
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The Soul
(2021) Directed by Cheng Wei-hao 6A

Chao (Chang Chen), a Taiwanese prosecutor dying of cancer, and his pregnant wife (Janine Chang) investigate the murder of a wealthy entrepreneur, a man involved in RNA applications that can transfer consciousness from one body to the next. His is a grisly death which may have occult implications. The Soul is a real genre mix combo of mystery, science fiction, melodrama and puzzle picture. You might think the mystery is solved half way through this 130 minute movie, but we are just getting started. There are a lot of twists and they keep coming right until the final frame. There is a whole lot of story here and no shortage of moving parts, but what is most impressive is how nicely the various pieces all fit together in the end. What also separates The Soul from the herd just a bit is the intensity with which parts of the story are told. Chen and Chang go way, way deeper into their characters than is usual in this kind of genre exercise, resulting in some extremely powerful sequences even if they are on the melodramatic side. Setting the movie just slightly in the future (2031) provides the chilly, ever-so-slightly dystopian mise en scene with interesting elements to play with, as well. The movie even provides viewers with a few ethical questions to ponder along the way. While The Soul is not a great work by any means, if you are taking a flyer on something a little different on a slow night, you could do a lot worse than this one.

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The Macomber Affair
(1947) directed by Zoltan Korda

After displaying cowardice by running away from a charging lion while on a safari hunting trip, a wealthy American (Robert Preston) is cuckolded by his wife (Joan Bennett) with their hunting guide (Gregory Peck). A bit of a forgotten Gregory Peck flick from the ‘40s which was overshadowed by his other roles at the time, and its not hard to see why as I think Robert Preston actually outshines him in this one. Peck is fine but he actually seems a bit miscast in the role of the big game hunter; Preston, however, is perfect as the wealthy boyish husband who loses and regains his masculinity on the trip. Based on a Hemingway short story “The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber", it is a mostly faithful word by word adaptation of his story, with one significant and glaring change. Hemingway’s story is known for its very ambiguous ending, and this film tries to tidy it up and make it less ambiguous and makes it less interesting. Still, the film is a decent little melodrama with solid acting from all three leads and has a mostly good script.

I’m currently working my way through a collection of Hemingway short stories so expect a bunch of reviews for Hemingway adaptations in the coming days/weeks.
 

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Die Hard With A Vengeance (McTiernan, 1995) - I might have been a little too hard on Die Hard 2 because, even though it was a dumb rewrite of the original, it holds itself together better than this one. McClane's trashed and fun, he gets his ass saved by a racist Black dude that turns out just as funny (that's the best scene of the film, and one that I'm not sure would fare so well today - it's just too bad it comes in the very beginning). It gets gradually very dumb and reaches unexplainable levels of stupid when they have to go to Québec and the Black civilian who just got shot is still part of the raid. Unlike the original film which skewed in very original ways the typical hollywoodian hero-duo (having Powell as an out-of-action sidekick), this duo - as fun as it is at first - gets out of breath pretty quickly. They still manage to carry the first half of the film, but after that it's just a series of dumb coincidences, stunts and poor f/x. 3/10

I'll push the second one by half a point, so:
DH1: 5/10
DH2: 3/10
DH3: 3/10

I don't expect the next two to do better than 3/10 either.
 

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I'm going to rhapsodize a bit about Die Hard because I've given some thought as to why it's a "perfect action film".

As a point of background, my Dad took my brother and I to see it in the theater days after already seeing it with my Mom (you could get into R movies with a parent). I guess he figured we'd be more appreciative. ;)

1. John McClane is a blue-collar every man hero.

-He gets the crap kicked out of him in every possible way. His fights are not easy, but hard. He struggles against individuals one on one and wins through sheer determination or luck and grit as opposed to sublime combat skills.

-He also manages to always say the most appropriately comic thing at the most appropriate time, in a way that everyone wishes they could.

2. The opposition is formidable.

-It is established early how professional and dangerous the terrorists are, when it comes to their planning, their weaponry and their general disposition. It adds to the tension because being outnumbered by these guys appears to be a significant obstacle.

-Also, they are distinct individuals with names and dress. These aren't endless masked thugs but members of an actual team with roles and responsibilities. You can sort of follow along with McClane as he works his way through the opposition.

3. The support by law enforcement is pathetic and hilarious to the point of absurdity.

-John can never rely on or be seen to require the help of the outside. Not only that, they even actively work against him (in terms of the chopper) and are never appreciative of his efforts. It magnifies the sense of isolation and his challenge.

-Law enforcement also serves as an additional source of comic relief: from Agent Johnson and Special Agent Johnson (not related), to Deputy Chief Duane T. Robinson getting *******ed on national TV, to the SWAT guy pricking his finger on a flower in a rose garden.

4. The primary villain is compelling.

-This might be the most important element. Hans Gruber eats up screen time and is arguably as entertaining as John McClane is. Stylish, debonair, you're almost rooting for him by the end of the film.

-Karl provides intimidating and effective back-up.

5. Strong support characters who keep things light.

-The film does a good job of providing entertaining scenes to a wide range of support characters, from his wife (What idiot put you in charge? You did, when you murdered my boss.), to Argyle the limousine driver, to Theo the amusing computer expert, to Al Powell as the only emotional lifeline he has.

-What about Ellis? The guy that is such a douche that you don't actually mind when Hans shoots him? (Hans, BOOBIE, I'm your white knight! Maybe it's the heebs, maybe it's the camel jockeys...)

-The reporter subplot is a lot of screen time for a sidequest but provides additional elements of comedy at the expense of the media (including the scummy reporter Richard Thornburg and the idiot anchorman).

-The characters manage to be distinctive and memorable without a lot of exposition required.

6. Pacing is excellent.

-For an action movie, it does an admirable job of pacing, from breath-taking stunts and firefights to lulls that provide interactions among the terrorists, the terrific scene where Alan Rickman uses his American accent, to Al and John having their bromance moment.

7. It's still a bit of a time capsule.

-As an older person, the movie doesn't seem that old to me, but there are obvious reminders like the lack of cellular phones and Holly informing her pregnant assistant that having some champagne is ok because "that baby is ready to tend bar".

8. When I say it's perfect...

-Well, obviously it's not really perfect. Beyond the obvious plot holes or mechanisms to delay the conclusion of the film, there are a few elements that to me, even today seem a bit out of place.

-Karl coming back to life just in time for Al to get over his fear of shooting people seemed tacked on and a bit gratuitous.

-The FBI seemed unusually bloodthirsty for no particular reason.

-John spends hours in the building and kills many terrorists but never finds a pair of shoes.

Overall though, it's a movie that I never really tire of, which is surprising.
 

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I'm going to rhapsodize a bit about Die Hard because I've given some thought as to why it's a "perfect action film".

As a point of background, my Dad took my brother and I to see it in the theater days after already seeing it with my Mom (you could get into R movies with a parent). I guess he figured we'd be more appreciative. ;)

1. John McClane is a blue-collar every man hero.

-He gets the crap kicked out of him in every possible way. His fights are not easy, but hard. He struggles against individuals one on one and wins through sheer determination or luck and grit as opposed to sublime combat skills.

-He also manages to always say the most appropriately comic thing at the most appropriate time, in a way that everyone wishes they could.

2. The opposition is formidable.

-It is established early how professional and dangerous the terrorists are, when it comes to their planning, their weaponry and their general disposition. It adds to the tension because being outnumbered by these guys appears to be a significant obstacle.

-Also, they are distinct individuals with names and dress. These aren't endless masked thugs but members of an actual team with roles and responsibilities. You can sort of follow along with McClane as he works his way through the opposition.

3. The support by law enforcement is pathetic and hilarious to the point of absurdity.

-John can never rely on or be seen to require the help of the outside. Not only that, they even actively work against him (in terms of the chopper) and are never appreciative of his efforts. It magnifies the sense of isolation and his challenge.

-Law enforcement also serves as an additional source of comic relief: from Agent Johnson and Special Agent Johnson (not related), to Deputy Chief Duane T. Robinson getting *******ed on national TV, to the SWAT guy pricking his finger on a flower in a rose garden.

4. The primary villain is compelling.

-This might be the most important element. Hans Gruber eats up screen time and is arguably as entertaining as John McClane is. Stylish, debonair, you're almost rooting for him by the end of the film.

-Karl provides intimidating and effective back-up.

5. Strong support characters who keep things light.

-The film does a good job of providing entertaining scenes to a wide range of support characters, from his wife (What idiot put you in charge? You did, when you murdered my boss.), to Argyle the limousine driver, to Theo the amusing computer expert, to Al Powell as the only emotional lifeline he has.

-What about Ellis? The guy that is such a douche that you don't actually mind when Hans shoots him? (Hans, BOOBIE, I'm your white knight! Maybe it's the heebs, maybe it's the camel jockeys...)

-The reporter subplot is a lot of screen time for a sidequest but provides additional elements of comedy at the expense of the media (including the scummy reporter Richard Thornburg and the idiot anchorman).

-The characters manage to be distinctive and memorable without a lot of exposition required.

6. Pacing is excellent.

-For an action movie, it does an admirable job of pacing, from breath-taking stunts and firefights to lulls that provide interactions among the terrorists, the terrific scene where Alan Rickman uses his American accent, to Al and John having their bromance moment.

7. It's still a bit of a time capsule.

-As an older person, the movie doesn't seem that old to me, but there are obvious reminders like the lack of cellular phones and Holly informing her pregnant assistant that having some champagne is ok because "that baby is ready to tend bar".

8. When I say it's perfect...

-Well, obviously it's not really perfect. Beyond the obvious plot holes or mechanisms to delay the conclusion of the film, there are a few elements that to me, even today seem a bit out of place.

-Karl coming back to life just in time for Al to get over his fear of shooting people seemed tacked on and a bit gratuitous.

-The FBI seemed unusually bloodthirsty for no particular reason.

-John spends hours in the building and kills many terrorists but never finds a pair of shoes.

Overall though, it's a movie that I never really tire of, which is surprising.

He did find a pair of shoes, but they are too small.
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Die Hard indeed stands up incredibly well. I would not mind a viewing every Christmas.
 

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I actually watched all 5 Die Hard movies during a snow storm 2 months back. I can confirm that 1 and 2 are the perfect Christmas movies.
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McClane is interesting, because he is a reluctant hero, and that makes him stand out in the late 1980s, when the box office is dominated by muscular one-man army types like Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Willis plays him perfectly too, with his dead pan snarky style, and not only is he so much fun to watch as a everyday man thrust into an impossible situation, he is also relatable at the same time.

1 remains the highwater mark, as it is the perfect mix between the detective and action thriller genres. The actions are very good, as there are a couple of memorable and even nowadays iconic action sequences, and the naturalistic plot twists are a great change of pace that keep the audience engaged in the story. 2 is still decent, but there are fewer memorable action sequences, perhaps only two or three, and the plot twists are no longer all that fresh or creative. Die Hard with a Vengeance actually bores me, because the setup takes way too long, and a confrontation never happens until near the end of the movie. Willis is also extremely out-of-shape at the time, so McClane looks slow, and there are actually very few action sequences. Worst of all, the few action sequences that Willis do are actually quite simple, and he still looks terrible in them. Meanwhile, the sidekick is given more to do, but Samuel L. Jackson's character is essentially useless. 4 is much, much better, but that is only because Willis is finally in shape, and the action sequences are memorable again. In fact, they are probably the best from the entire series. The plot, unfortunately, is formulaic at this point, so everything is rather predictable. Finally, 5 is just plain bad. The sequences are dull, once again, and the plot is just plain stupid. The pace is fast enough that I am not exactly bored, but I am left with mere empty calories.

My score would be:
Die Hard 7.25/10
Die Hard 2 6.5/10
Die Hard with a Vengeance 5.5/10
Live Free or Die Hard 6.5/10
A Good Day to Die Hard 4.5/10
McClane avoiding death by jumping on to a hovering fighter jet might be memorable, but it's certainly not good.
 

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The one pair! Then he stopped looking.

He probably assumed that all Germans have small feet after that.
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To be fair, he never has time to search afterwards. He always gets shot at immediately afterwards.

McClane avoiding death by jumping on to a hovering fighter jet might be memorable, but it's certainly not good.

Yeah, it is ridiculous and over-the-top, but I thought it looked really cool. It certainly gave new life to the franchise, because it was pretty much dead after the third one.

I also give action movies more of a pass, as I usually turn my brain off. As long as it is not an insult to my intelligence, I will just enjoy the ride.
 
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McClane avoiding death by jumping on to a hovering fighter jet might be memorable, but it's certainly not good.

I actually like 4 but I also found Olyphant to be an intriguing antagonist. In general, the characters were more interesting than 2 so I would put it in 2nd.

It definitely stretched the boundaries of realism with John now being a helicopter pilot and the aforementioned leap on the fighter jet. He also shoots down a helicopter with a car IIRC.

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Die Hard 3
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I'm with Pranzo on that and would give it more of a middling score as well. I think Die Hard's fine/relatively solid for what it is, but nothing about it feels especially interesting or standout to me-- it's kind of the typical tone/formula you come across all the time but done a little better than usual (but not necessarily worlds apart). As far as action movies go, stuff like John Woo's absurd bullet ballets feel more striking, inspired, and full of personality to me.
 
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I'm with Pranzo on that and would give it more of a middling score as well. I think Die Hard's fine/relatively solid for what it is, but nothing about it feels especially interesting or standout to me-- it's kind of the typical tone/formula you come across all the time but done a little better than usual (but not necessarily worlds apart). As far as action movies go, stuff like John Woo's absurd bullet ballets feel more striking, inspired, and full of personality to me.

I hate Woo's doves.
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It was passable for the first couple of movies, but it is parody at this point.

Back in Woo's prime, he is a top-notch action director that innovated and reinvented the genre, but his plots and stories are also thin and problematic. That is why nowadays, when his creativeness has plateaued and even declined, his movies are a drag to watch.

I stand by my statement that A Better Tomorrow is perhaps the most influential movie in Hong Kong film history, but now, it feels extremely dated, and is an absolute chore to watch. In fact, a lot of his movies are like that. The only movie in his filmography that I can bear to watch a second time is probably Hard Boiled, but that is only because it is designed to be over-the-top, and one has to admire his audacity. In fact, at one point in time, it held the record for the most body count captured on film at over 200. I used to think I can re-watch The Killer, but now it just annoys me to no end. He wants to be deep, but then the whole thing just reeks of pretentiousness.
 
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^ Oh yeah, his prime is all I'm talking about. His Western movies do nothing for me. Still, I think those prime movies are an example of how you can be impressive, dynamic, and interesting while being just as absurd and campy. I'm in the camp that thinks that different types of movies don't need to have what's considered conventional "good storytelling" with depth and substance, but I also don't agree with that being considered lowering expectations or that every dumb movie gets a pass. Nonsense in films can be done in a way that's charming, artful, and impressive to pull off as well, IMO. Die Hard doesn't succeed in that for me, but stuff like The Killer and Hard Boiled do (there's a madness to them that's invigorating, and that only works if they aren't sensible or substantive).

I don't know, I think that the BS pseudo-meaning of The Killer only adds to the camp-- it doesn't play as pretentious or actually serious to me, it just plays as infantile melodramatic nonsensical dorkiness.

Not really a fan of A Better Tomorrow.
I think its ambition (which I tend to admire, even if it doesn't fully work) makes it fail worse than typical Marvel fare. There's little worse than watching the pretension of a superhero movie pretending to be more and not succeeding. Grosses me out. I find it manipulative and a prime example of a work of art trying to game serious critics.
I feel like it was also shamelessly ripping off of the Last of Us' popularity with an almost identical dynamic and storytelling tricks. And that was already something that was bland and guilty of the kind of thing you're talking about to begin with, IMO.
 
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I'm going to rhapsodize a bit about Die Hard 2 because it deserves more love.

1. It addresses the #1 complaint of the original--that it isn't a Christmas movie--by adding lots of snow, icicles, church services, more decorations and presents and classic Christmas songs.

2. It's better than action movie sequels tended to be. Ok, it's no Terminator 2, but compare it to Predator 2, Rambo II & III, Delta Force 2, instead, and it looks a lot better. Also, for a sequel that was fast tracked and released only 2 years after the original, it's better than it has any business being.

3. It's an action movie set at an airport. How cool is that and how many of those are there?

4. The stakes are high. Dozens of planes circle overhead with hundreds of people on each of them. More people die in a single crash than in the first movie combined.

5. The Colonel is even more evil than Hans Gruber. It takes a psychopath to crash a passenger plane.

6. It has lots of other memorable characters, like the groundskeeper, the airport police captain, Major Grant, the reporter, the air traffic flight director and the airport engineer. Each feels distinct and is acted well.

7. It has a good twist 2/3rds of the way through, unlike Die Hard, which is more straightforward about who the good and bad guys are.

8. Patrick O'Neal gets his throat cut. This is satisfying to anyone who's had to watch him on LA Kings pre-game, post-game and intermission segments for the last 15 years.

9. It's well paced and very entertaining the whole way through.

10. If it were a standalone movie and not the sequel to one of the most beloved action movies of all time, it'd be better regarded, IMO. It suffers from the inevitable comparisons.

11. It had what was a cool and clever tagline for 1990: Die Harder. Maybe that's ultra cheesy now, but it was rad back then, man!
 
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Not really a fan of A Better Tomorrow.

I thought it was fine the first time I watched it, but I never wanted to watch it again. Now, I am not high on it.

That said, I cannot deny how influential it is. Not only did it kickstart the gangster/ triad movies that Hong Kong became known for, it also showcased a new way gun fights can be filmed. Furthermore, it changed the career trajectory of three actors, as Chow Yun-fat became a bonafide box office draw, Leslie Cheung truly turn into a duo threat superstar, and Ti-Lung extended his stardom into the 90s. In fact, Chow and Cheung became big stars in Korea too, and this movie also had a big influence on that film industry. To this day, a lot of Korean gangster movies follows Woo's basic idea of brotherhood, and the theme song continues to play in various medias there. Finally, Chow's character Mark-gor became a cultural icon, and his trenchcoat was a fashion must-have amongst youths in Hong Kong.
 
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